1 00:00:02,750 --> 00:00:01,610 what were you doing in real estate in 2 00:00:06,289 --> 00:00:02,760 Las Vegas 3 00:00:09,350 --> 00:00:06,299 I was working in new homes I was working 4 00:00:11,810 --> 00:00:09,360 it's I started in 2003 right when 5 00:00:13,930 --> 00:00:11,820 everything got got going you know and 6 00:00:17,390 --> 00:00:13,940 you're the guy in The Big Short movie 7 00:00:19,609 --> 00:00:17,400 you know that it's funny because there's 8 00:00:20,990 --> 00:00:19,619 a scene in The Big Short where they go 9 00:00:23,630 --> 00:00:21,000 to 10 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:23,640 um the strip bar and there's a you know 11 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:24,960 and the stripper's like oh I'll do your 12 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:29,039 loan and everything and in actuality in 13 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:32,399 2004 I was working for Del Webb which is 14 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:33,899 an active adult community it's 55 and 15 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:35,820 older it's a great Community there were 16 00:00:40,369 --> 00:00:38,340 it was a massive sales office there's 20 17 00:00:42,049 --> 00:00:40,379 of us in there and I come in and and 18 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:42,059 because there's so many sales people 19 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:44,160 we're on like a rotational basis and the 20 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:46,140 lady at the front desk you know the next 21 00:00:50,690 --> 00:00:47,820 person up you know you get you get who 22 00:00:54,110 --> 00:00:50,700 you get and and I get this agent nice 23 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:54,120 looking agent lady and her client who 24 00:00:58,970 --> 00:00:56,760 has not slept at all it's obvious to me 25 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:58,980 this guy is like fairly barely 26 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:01,379 functioning and uh he wants to buy a 27 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:02,640 house or he thinks he wants to buy a 28 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:04,320 house this is his real estate agent he 29 00:01:07,969 --> 00:01:06,659 goes to we we discuss the whole thing we 30 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:07,979 go through the models I show them all 31 00:01:11,390 --> 00:01:09,240 the houses 32 00:01:12,710 --> 00:01:11,400 she goes to the restroom and I said so 33 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:12,720 have you been working with your agent 34 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:14,520 for a while and he goes man I just met 35 00:01:18,410 --> 00:01:16,740 her last night at cheetahs and I was 36 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:18,420 like really and then as soon as he's 37 00:01:22,370 --> 00:01:19,920 done and I'm like trying to contain 38 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:22,380 myself because I know exactly so she 39 00:01:27,410 --> 00:01:25,080 sits down and she says to me like I said 40 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:27,420 so is this a like how are we doing on 41 00:01:30,890 --> 00:01:29,040 finance are we doing cash is this good 42 00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:30,900 she goes oh I'm I'm a loan officer I'm 43 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:33,200 gonna do his loan I go of course you are 44 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:35,700 so so The Big Short was like a 45 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:38,280 documentary to me well that's a that's a 46 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:40,320 great story for for people who don't 47 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:42,180 know cheetahs 48 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:46,079 yeah Cheetos uh an adult uh a male a 49 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:48,720 men's adult uh dance club dancing 50 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:52,200 facility in Las Vegas yeah yeah and then 51 00:02:00,590 --> 00:01:53,759 where did that 52 00:02:02,810 --> 00:02:00,600 current stuff that you do so in 2007 I 53 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:02,820 read Perkins book confessions of an 54 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:04,860 economic Hitman and I go oh my goodness 55 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:06,360 this is changing my life you know like 56 00:02:09,770 --> 00:02:08,280 it just changed my life and and I 57 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:09,780 realized that the scam that they were 58 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:12,120 running on this big massive scale was 59 00:02:16,130 --> 00:02:13,860 something that we were 60 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:16,140 we were doing on a smaller scale not me 61 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:18,420 personally I I didn't know we were just 62 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:20,160 extending loans to people that had no 63 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:22,440 business getting a loan and then that 64 00:02:27,290 --> 00:02:25,080 loan was packaged up and sold like you 65 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:27,300 know we I would say to our lender 66 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:29,700 how how can we qualify this guy and and 67 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:31,080 they say what difference does it make 68 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:32,640 we're going to sit on this loan for a 69 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:34,920 day maybe we're gonna sell it out the 70 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:36,420 back door with all the other loans and 71 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:38,280 it's not our problem and I was like oh 72 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:41,580 that but that doesn't sound like a 73 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:43,080 sustainable 74 00:02:48,170 --> 00:02:45,000 uh business model and they're like yeah 75 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,180 whatever you know so so that was the so 76 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:50,640 that happens and the the market tanks 77 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:53,700 I've read Perkins book uh I'm live I'm 78 00:02:59,089 --> 00:02:55,620 now realizing that I'm living through 79 00:03:01,009 --> 00:02:59,099 this um you know extend imaginary money 80 00:03:02,869 --> 00:03:01,019 to people that can't afford to pay it 81 00:03:04,850 --> 00:03:02,879 back and then when they fall behind take 82 00:03:07,309 --> 00:03:04,860 back something tangible in Perkins case 83 00:03:08,570 --> 00:03:07,319 take back you know make the country of 84 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:08,580 Ecuador 85 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:10,500 privatize their fishing industry and 86 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:12,840 sell it off to your buddies or build a 87 00:03:17,809 --> 00:03:15,480 U.S base or vote a certain way in a U.N 88 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:17,819 resolution or some some crappy deal that 89 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:20,220 the country didn't want to do 90 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:21,959 um we were sort of doing that same thing 91 00:03:25,970 --> 00:03:23,519 where the feds printing up this money 92 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:25,980 that just typing it in their little 93 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:28,560 keyboard and creating this money and and 94 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:29,519 the 95 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:35,040 going to especially when everything 96 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:36,840 starts to tank and they're upside down 97 00:03:41,149 --> 00:03:38,879 then the lenders just take back tangible 98 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:41,159 assets take back physical houses in 99 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:42,720 exchange for this paper money that they 100 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:45,360 had insurance policies on anyway so so 101 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:47,700 the whole thing I this as this scam 102 00:03:52,309 --> 00:03:49,980 starts to unravel my brain is breaking 103 00:03:54,350 --> 00:03:52,319 and I'm going oh no oh no I'm part of 104 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:54,360 this I was part of this and and I 105 00:03:59,990 --> 00:03:56,879 transitioned out of new home sales and 106 00:04:01,670 --> 00:04:00,000 into working with uh my current 107 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:01,680 situation now is my two business 108 00:04:06,890 --> 00:04:05,040 partners that are in Las Vegas and they 109 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:06,900 do or we do we're a real estate 110 00:04:10,369 --> 00:04:08,459 brokerage but we also do home 111 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:10,379 renovations home flipping to the point 112 00:04:15,170 --> 00:04:12,840 where we had a show on HGTV for a couple 113 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:15,180 Seasons flipper flop Vegas and and my 114 00:04:19,969 --> 00:04:16,620 partners this 115 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:19,979 husband and wife she's a real estate 116 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:22,800 agent interior designer cheerleader he's 117 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:26,340 a general contractor MMA fighter you 118 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:28,199 know good looking guys really nice 119 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:31,020 people super amazing at what they do and 120 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:33,960 I saw that show and their business no I 121 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:36,000 didn't make the connection but yeah yeah 122 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:38,040 yeah so they'll go around you know and 123 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:39,840 buy these houses and we've got this sort 124 00:04:44,270 --> 00:04:42,120 of Vegas Glam thing that we do which is 125 00:04:45,530 --> 00:04:44,280 like paint a paint a wall Pink when it 126 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:45,540 shouldn't be pink and people go that's 127 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:47,220 crazy and then they're like and then one 128 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:48,960 person's like I love it and so we sell 129 00:04:53,330 --> 00:04:51,000 the house to that person you know so so 130 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:53,340 it trained I'm still in real estate but 131 00:04:56,689 --> 00:04:54,780 I'm not in that 132 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:56,699 you know I'm not I'm in a sort of a diff 133 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:59,520 an unusual segment but but because of 134 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:01,440 that because of that book because of 135 00:05:06,290 --> 00:05:04,080 that John Perkins book it just changed 136 00:05:08,629 --> 00:05:06,300 me it just woke me up to like what was 137 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:08,639 going on and that that really was the 138 00:05:13,070 --> 00:05:10,320 the step like how did you get involved 139 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:13,080 in it like I'm fascinated about what 140 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:14,699 you're doing you know like you've got 141 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:17,039 this really interesting 142 00:05:23,930 --> 00:05:21,060 blend of uh science and 143 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:23,940 is it science versus spirituality or is 144 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:26,400 it science plus spirituality 145 00:05:30,409 --> 00:05:28,620 well I think it is science plus 146 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:30,419 spirituality but 147 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:32,940 you know I'd say uh before we even get 148 00:05:36,590 --> 00:05:35,220 to that when I first heard you Charlie 149 00:05:38,629 --> 00:05:36,600 one of the things I appreciate I 150 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:38,639 appreciate people who have that uh 151 00:05:43,129 --> 00:05:40,800 business sensibility and like even 152 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:43,139 because that's my background I was just 153 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:44,520 going for the money you know and I was 154 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:46,680 in the high-tech business very fortunate 155 00:05:50,330 --> 00:05:48,960 that I had a computer background in 156 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:50,340 college I was just kind of naturally 157 00:05:54,650 --> 00:05:52,680 drawn to that I could kind of do that 158 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:54,660 and it seemed like other people 159 00:06:01,309 --> 00:05:58,160 I went to Western Illinois University 160 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:01,319 which is kind of considered a lot of 161 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:02,639 people don't know but it's kind of the 162 00:06:06,850 --> 00:06:04,460 Harvard of McDonough County Illinois 163 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:06,860 okay 164 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:09,539 all I know is that Tony didn't Tony Romo 165 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:12,000 go to Eastern Illinois University he did 166 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:15,660 he did we beat I played football there 167 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:18,000 that's how I went there and we beat 168 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:20,220 Eastern Illinois we did we took them 169 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:22,680 down it was a big it was a big game 170 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:25,860 there was a big celebration we went to 171 00:06:30,590 --> 00:06:28,319 TC's after it and a lot of guys you know 172 00:06:32,689 --> 00:06:30,600 barely made it home at six a.m so yeah 173 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:32,699 that was a big deal 174 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:34,080 computer business though like what kind 175 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:37,020 what were you doing well so you know I 176 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:38,520 kind of started there and then I went 177 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:40,680 and I did which is all kind of 178 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:42,840 interesting in a way but I got a job at 179 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:44,699 pricewaterhouse you know where if you 180 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:46,800 have a computer degree they put a Brooks 181 00:06:51,650 --> 00:06:49,319 Brothers suit on you and Bill you out at 182 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:51,660 250 an hour even though you're just out 183 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:52,860 of college and you don't know anything 184 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:54,660 but you know that's how they make money 185 00:06:58,850 --> 00:06:57,180 and then I became disillusioned in that 186 00:07:01,790 --> 00:06:58,860 well I had an MBA I'd gotten that 187 00:07:03,409 --> 00:07:01,800 because I was at Western for five years 188 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:03,419 Western is just in a corn field I mean 189 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:05,039 it's just a place I played football on 190 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:07,259 the cornfield and then I went back I 191 00:07:11,689 --> 00:07:09,120 thought I wanted to pursue Academia and 192 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:11,699 I went back to University Arizona to get 193 00:07:16,129 --> 00:07:14,220 a PhD in artificial intelligence and I 194 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:16,139 was there and I did that for a couple 195 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:17,880 years and I taught classes at University 196 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:19,919 Arizona and stuff like that and then I 197 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:21,900 was like [\h__\h] this you know I really 198 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:23,400 want the money which is what I wanted 199 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:25,680 all along and I had done some consultant 200 00:07:30,409 --> 00:07:28,560 gigs for Texas Instruments in Dupont and 201 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:30,419 I was into this AI stuff and it was kind 202 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:32,400 of taken off and I started a company I 203 00:07:37,309 --> 00:07:33,960 started company it's called Mind path 204 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:37,319 Technologies I was into Ai and I failed 205 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:39,599 I kept the company but I just kind of 206 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:42,900 failed on the concept over and over and 207 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:45,120 over again and kind of got my ass handed 208 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:47,039 to me but it was a great Learning lesson 209 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:49,740 anyone who's an entrepreneur goes 210 00:07:54,050 --> 00:07:51,360 through the same process and we all have 211 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:54,060 to learn and uh I kind of stuck within 212 00:07:59,089 --> 00:07:55,680 it 10 years later I was able to sell my 213 00:08:02,029 --> 00:07:59,099 company to a publicly traded company and 214 00:08:04,309 --> 00:08:02,039 bingo you know and then I made some 215 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:04,319 very fortunate real estate Investments 216 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:07,020 with a family member who was into that 217 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:10,080 and uh hey you know it all it all worked 218 00:08:17,770 --> 00:08:12,900 out great so all along though I was a 219 00:08:20,089 --> 00:08:17,780 yogi oh really yeah and uh and um 220 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:20,099 philosophical and the physical practice 221 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:22,460 too but really the physical 222 00:08:27,170 --> 00:08:25,500 philosophical spiritual practice so I've 223 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:27,180 always kind of been down these two paths 224 00:08:32,570 --> 00:08:29,340 so when I started podcasting it was like 225 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:32,580 to look at this spirituality that I 226 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:34,200 thought was real why is why doesn't 227 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:37,440 science think it is real but I did want 228 00:08:42,889 --> 00:08:40,860 to kind of roll that back to because I I 229 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:42,899 couldn't mean this more sincerely when I 230 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:45,540 first heard you on Greg's show Higher 231 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:48,360 Side chats and talking about the the 232 00:08:53,769 --> 00:08:51,480 global octopus kind of thing which has 233 00:08:56,690 --> 00:08:53,779 always been a fantastic 234 00:08:59,930 --> 00:08:56,700 metaphor for kind of yeah mine I didn't 235 00:09:02,150 --> 00:08:59,940 I didn't invent it but I agree uh Danny 236 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:02,160 casellaro's got the octopus I put a 237 00:09:05,810 --> 00:09:04,260 quote in the book from the talking from 238 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:05,820 John Francis Highland the mayor of New 239 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:07,740 York City in 1922 talking about the 240 00:09:11,449 --> 00:09:09,899 sprawling octopus that he describes as 241 00:09:12,949 --> 00:09:11,459 the Rockefeller family and their 242 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:12,959 interests and things like that but yeah 243 00:09:19,370 --> 00:09:16,800 what a great metaphor huh it is you know 244 00:09:22,430 --> 00:09:19,380 it's something that lives in the bottom 245 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:22,440 of the deepest darkest ocean you know 246 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:24,000 especially the big ones right and we 247 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:27,180 can't see it and it has all these real 248 00:09:33,110 --> 00:09:30,180 smart it can change colors it can change 249 00:09:35,389 --> 00:09:33,120 textures it can it can spray ink and 250 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:35,399 blind you and disappear or it can stay 251 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:37,260 and fight with that hidden beak that's 252 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:39,720 underneath it it's it's it's in one of 253 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:41,220 the most intelligent creatures they've 254 00:09:45,949 --> 00:09:43,260 done studies where if you if it's been 255 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:45,959 through a maze in a in a cave and you 256 00:09:50,949 --> 00:09:48,660 could up to three years later it will 257 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:50,959 remember how to get back through that 258 00:10:00,470 --> 00:09:55,860 really interesting maybe even uh Alien 259 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:00,480 in nature yes these are these octopi and 260 00:10:05,569 --> 00:10:03,779 and that it describes these people as 261 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:05,579 well that are able to change their 262 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:09,000 shapes and colors and textures and and 263 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:10,620 they're able to tear you apart if you 264 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:12,120 get too close and don't know how 265 00:10:16,009 --> 00:10:13,800 dangerous they are oh just everything 266 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:16,019 about it works for me oh awesome I mean 267 00:10:20,569 --> 00:10:18,600 you are uh brilliant at communicating 268 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,579 this stuff you really are and the other 269 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,800 thing I really appreciate I love how you 270 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:24,959 return us to the humor in it you know 271 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:26,940 the the humor in all this the humor in 272 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:28,620 the in The Human Condition you know and 273 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:31,260 you can't it's so heavy but at the same 274 00:10:35,690 --> 00:10:33,420 time you know that's always been kind of 275 00:10:39,410 --> 00:10:35,700 your your Vibe too right yeah it has 276 00:10:41,329 --> 00:10:39,420 been and it and it and I and I get that 277 00:10:44,509 --> 00:10:41,339 I have that Vibe because that's that's 278 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:44,519 how information has been delivered to me 279 00:10:47,150 --> 00:10:46,140 in a way that sticks like the Jon 280 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:47,160 Stewart 281 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:49,740 idea of Comedy where he where The Daily 282 00:10:53,389 --> 00:10:51,600 Show where he would he'd tell you a very 283 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,399 important story and it would be serious 284 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:55,920 and it would be impactful but he'd do it 285 00:10:59,150 --> 00:10:57,300 in a way where he kind of had some fun 286 00:11:01,130 --> 00:10:59,160 with it and he you know and you and so 287 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:01,140 you'd wind up laughing at the absurdity 288 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:03,000 but at the same time you would you'd 289 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,560 have this retention of the information 290 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:06,480 so I always thought well if I'm gonna 291 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:07,980 write when I wrote the octopus I was 292 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:09,660 like God you know you go through it and 293 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:11,760 it there's so much darkness in there and 294 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:14,220 so much evil and I thought well you know 295 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:16,320 I might have to lighten it up a little 296 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:18,000 bit you know where I could so that's 297 00:11:22,430 --> 00:11:19,860 where the quotes from Carlin and quotes 298 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:22,440 from Rogan and and Bill Hicks come in 299 00:11:26,210 --> 00:11:24,420 and and it allows people to kind of 300 00:11:27,889 --> 00:11:26,220 laugh at the absurdity of it all and I 301 00:11:33,889 --> 00:11:27,899 think that that's 302 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:33,899 have that and I know I don't think it's 303 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:35,160 I mean there's one thing to be 304 00:11:39,050 --> 00:11:37,740 disrespectful in laughing at people that 305 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:39,060 are being hurt right in front of you and 306 00:11:41,329 --> 00:11:40,380 being disrespectful we're not doing that 307 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:41,339 we're just 308 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:43,380 we're laughing at the absurdity of it 309 00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:44,760 all and it is 310 00:11:48,769 --> 00:11:47,040 laughable and and danger you know 311 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:48,779 obviously like I said you kind of have 312 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:49,980 to 313 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:55,500 about a lot of this stuff but but uh but 314 00:11:59,870 --> 00:11:58,019 I don't think that it's disrespectful to 315 00:12:01,550 --> 00:11:59,880 have a good laugh at what some of these 316 00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:01,560 people are doing on the world on the 317 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:04,320 planet it's crazy absolutely I think it 318 00:12:08,569 --> 00:12:06,560 I think it immediately kind of 319 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:08,579 transcends you in a lot of ways I think 320 00:12:11,870 --> 00:12:10,260 it's very spiritual kind of thing there 321 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:11,880 was a lot of spiritual connections to 322 00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:13,980 the to the riddle to the laugh to the 323 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:16,560 joke that it all is yeah and I think 324 00:12:20,629 --> 00:12:18,720 comedy can can 325 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:20,639 get us there in a way that we don't even 326 00:12:29,329 --> 00:12:25,680 recognize by the way have you seen 327 00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:29,339 the Jon Stewart thing on the Wuhan lab 328 00:12:35,629 --> 00:12:33,180 yes okay so we might even play that 329 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:35,639 later for for people who who aren't 330 00:12:41,329 --> 00:12:38,519 aware of it on Stephen Colbert and 331 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:41,339 I mean that is level three where you 332 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:43,440 gotta kind of like he knows what what 333 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:45,600 you know he knows he knows what's up he 334 00:12:49,370 --> 00:12:47,160 knows what they'll accept and what the I 335 00:12:52,850 --> 00:12:49,380 mean he gave Stephen Colbert his shot so 336 00:12:55,129 --> 00:12:52,860 yeah Jon Stewart did that for me and I 337 00:12:57,650 --> 00:12:55,139 put a quote in the octopus book from Joe 338 00:13:00,350 --> 00:12:57,660 Rogan talking about Jon Stewart 339 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:00,360 explaining that he felt that way too and 340 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:02,339 I actually didn't realize 341 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:04,260 that I felt that way about Jon Stewart 342 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:06,540 until I read the I think I heard the Joe 343 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:08,399 Rogan quote and then I typed it out and 344 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,800 and I thought that's exactly why I have 345 00:13:14,269 --> 00:13:12,480 connected with Jon Stewart all this time 346 00:13:16,009 --> 00:13:14,279 and so it didn't even really occur to me 347 00:13:18,050 --> 00:13:16,019 but it's that 348 00:13:20,269 --> 00:13:18,060 it's that skill I think that that some 349 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:20,279 people have Jon Stewart has it Joe Rogan 350 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:22,639 has it this ability to talk about 351 00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:25,040 serious things 352 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:28,380 in a way that is light-hearted that that 353 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:30,480 allows you to that doesn't come across 354 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:33,540 as being disrespectful to the topic or 355 00:13:36,829 --> 00:13:35,339 the serious nature of it and you know 356 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:36,839 you give it all the respect that it 357 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:40,380 deserves but you can still time out time 358 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,240 out we've gone there we've got I'm gonna 359 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:45,360 play this clip into the show what what 360 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:46,920 do you mean by do you mean like this or 361 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:48,600 perhaps there's a chance that this was 362 00:13:52,689 --> 00:13:49,500 created in a lab there's an 363 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,699 investigation a chance 364 00:13:58,850 --> 00:13:54,959 evidence I'd love to hear it there's a 365 00:14:01,970 --> 00:13:58,860 novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking 366 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:01,980 Wuhan China what do we do oh you know 367 00:14:08,329 --> 00:14:05,160 who we could ask the Wuhan novel 368 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:08,339 respiratory coronavirus lab the disease 369 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:12,120 is the same name as the lab 370 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:14,160 that's just that's just a little too 371 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:15,660 weird don't you think and then they ask 372 00:14:19,069 --> 00:14:16,980 those scientists they're like how did 373 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:19,079 this so wait a minute you work at the 374 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:22,139 Wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab how 375 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:24,120 did this happen and they're like a 376 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:27,060 Pangolin kissed a turtle 377 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:31,260 and you're like no I you you 378 00:14:34,189 --> 00:14:33,240 so so that's it right that's what we're 379 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:34,199 talking about 380 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,040 yeah he he he he's great at this you 381 00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:40,380 know he he knows and actually during 382 00:14:45,650 --> 00:14:43,380 later on in that he gets to the point 383 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,660 where Johnson or where Colbert tries to 384 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:48,000 cut him off and Jon Stewart jumps up out 385 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:49,320 of his seat 386 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:51,360 and that physically walks towards the 387 00:14:56,449 --> 00:14:53,519 camera because he knows that the camera 388 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,459 will follow him and and so he he 389 00:15:00,350 --> 00:14:58,560 continues on his Stephen Colbert tries 390 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:00,360 to get him off topic tries to you know 391 00:15:05,449 --> 00:15:03,300 tries to step on all of his jokes and uh 392 00:15:07,069 --> 00:15:05,459 because he felt he could you could tell 393 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:07,079 he just he looked uncomfortable he 394 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:08,220 didn't know what to do and John 395 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:10,740 Stewart's like I am going to burn this 396 00:15:16,129 --> 00:15:13,620 place to the ground right no I I see 397 00:15:17,569 --> 00:15:16,139 that that's the part and this is a great 398 00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:17,579 dialogue and one that I don't hear 399 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:19,620 people especially in our community 400 00:15:24,829 --> 00:15:22,620 having enough is that I get that but at 401 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,839 the same time Jon Stewart is completely 402 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:26,880 controlled not not completely controlled 403 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,440 that isn't fair because he's not 404 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:30,240 completely controlled this is the 405 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:33,360 complexity of the thing this is the head 406 00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:36,240 blowing up we don't really know what Jon 407 00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:38,639 Stewart really knows we don't know the 408 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,920 extent to John that Jon Stewart is being 409 00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:43,440 manipulated but when we look at his last 410 00:15:47,810 --> 00:15:44,639 show 411 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:47,820 we see that he is part of this process 412 00:15:52,490 --> 00:15:49,920 of like you know where the famous thing 413 00:15:55,129 --> 00:15:52,500 where they show the the talking point 414 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:55,139 and it comes out simultaneously on 40 415 00:16:00,410 --> 00:15:57,720 different local stations are all reading 416 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:00,420 it Jon Stewart is not removed from that 417 00:16:05,629 --> 00:16:03,540 as you mentioned before he somehow knows 418 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:05,639 the line and he does have some kind of 419 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:09,060 moral compass that he he he has to 420 00:16:14,530 --> 00:16:10,740 follow and I wanted to throw Joe Rogan 421 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:14,540 in there too I think Joe Rogan has done 422 00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:18,480 tremendous tremendous uh uh benefit you 423 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:20,100 know for so many people in terms of 424 00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:22,800 quote unquote waking up I hate that term 425 00:16:27,769 --> 00:16:24,899 but we'll go with it in terms of 426 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:27,779 exposing truth in terms of parapolitical 427 00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:31,440 stuff but go look at Joe Rogan about 9 428 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:35,519 11. Joe Rogan whether I again I don't 429 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:38,040 know if it's really what he believes if 430 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:40,740 he's that unable to kind of dig through 431 00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:42,839 that which we all have these kind of 432 00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:45,420 problems with the truth as you mentioned 433 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:49,019 in so many ways but he's like a 911 no I 434 00:16:53,629 --> 00:16:51,060 can't go there I can't believe it's like 435 00:16:56,269 --> 00:16:53,639 Joe how can you be woken up about this 436 00:16:59,210 --> 00:16:56,279 and not woken about up about that for 437 00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,220 people in our community this does not 438 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,860 really wash and we've seen it so many 439 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,360 times in terms of a lot of these people 440 00:17:08,929 --> 00:17:05,520 turn out to be 441 00:17:11,569 --> 00:17:08,939 kind of controlled opposition double 442 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:11,579 agent triple agent spy versus spy stuff 443 00:17:15,650 --> 00:17:13,500 what do you think yeah and if it's 444 00:17:18,529 --> 00:17:15,660 frustrating too because you want them 445 00:17:21,049 --> 00:17:18,539 you feel like oh you're so close you're 446 00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,059 so just yeah just go one more step and 447 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:23,039 you're almost there or turn that corner 448 00:17:26,689 --> 00:17:24,780 and you'll see you'll see just come look 449 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:26,699 around the car you'll see it's all laid 450 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:29,160 out and they'll stop a little bit short 451 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:31,860 and you go ah it's disappointing so I 452 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,380 it's a weird sort of balance for us 453 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:36,000 because it's like on like you said on 454 00:17:39,529 --> 00:17:37,440 the one hand Joe Rogan has been 455 00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,539 instrumental at waking people up to a to 456 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:42,000 a cert to a variety of things obviously 457 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,039 it's well known for the DMT and 458 00:17:48,529 --> 00:17:46,320 psychedelics and and and that component 459 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:48,539 and and I'm I'm tremendously grateful 460 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:51,000 that he's doing that 461 00:17:55,490 --> 00:17:54,120 I would like more you know I I I you 462 00:17:57,770 --> 00:17:55,500 know if I were 463 00:17:59,570 --> 00:17:57,780 I think people have legitimate problems 464 00:18:04,850 --> 00:17:59,580 about some of the guests that he brings 465 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:04,860 on I mean Mike Baker is a CIA agent who 466 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,280 is on that show five times you know he's 467 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,559 he's been on there at least twice a year 468 00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:13,020 for the last three or four years I mean 469 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,580 I don't know how many times he's been on 470 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:16,740 there but there's a lot of this right 471 00:18:21,529 --> 00:18:19,440 you go oh that guy like seriously you're 472 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,539 gonna bring that guy on and then you 473 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:24,240 know so we I guess we can't 474 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,860 I don't know I guess we can't win them 475 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,360 all and we want them we want everybody 476 00:18:32,029 --> 00:18:29,520 to be wait a minute though that's the 477 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:32,039 question Charlie is it a can't win them 478 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:35,400 all situation or is it a is it a 479 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:38,220 controlled opposition situation because 480 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:40,980 we know that we know this is a a method 481 00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:44,220 that I mean this is like Playbook number 482 00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,000 one is make sure you have a lever in the 483 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:49,919 organization so whether it's you're 484 00:18:54,529 --> 00:18:52,140 infiltrating whatever group whether it's 485 00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:54,539 a leftist group or a righty group or a 486 00:18:59,630 --> 00:18:57,780 gun group or a Timothy McVeigh who is 487 00:19:01,130 --> 00:18:59,640 controlled from the beginning and he's 488 00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:01,140 really infiltrating the group and then 489 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:03,299 he becomes I don't want to go down there 490 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,320 but one of the things that's great about 491 00:19:09,770 --> 00:19:06,720 talking to you Charlie is I can bring up 492 00:19:13,370 --> 00:19:09,780 almost any one of these topics including 493 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:13,380 UFOs including anything and you've the 494 00:19:18,770 --> 00:19:16,020 tentacles your tentacles have spread out 495 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:18,780 have spread out as well so but back to 496 00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,340 the point 497 00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:22,559 everything that you're saying about 498 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,580 Rogan also fits in the somewhat 499 00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:28,559 controlled opposition and I don't want 500 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:30,660 people to take that the wrong way it's 501 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:33,480 not like I believe that Joe is sitting 502 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,100 in the back room with the secret phone 503 00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:37,440 that he picks up and gets instructions 504 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:40,679 the controlled part is an interesting 505 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:43,020 concept because 506 00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:45,720 it it you would think that you could 507 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:47,700 control some you know you would think 508 00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,700 that as we're like let's say the the new 509 00:19:54,289 --> 00:19:52,799 podcasters struggling to get some place 510 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:54,299 you think you could control them because 511 00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:56,760 they need you they need money they need 512 00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:59,580 something but in actuality when you're 513 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,260 when you're just doing your podcast for 514 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,120 fun and you have no Financial stake in 515 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:04,559 it you can really kind of say whatever 516 00:20:08,570 --> 00:20:06,360 it's hard to control somebody that 517 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,580 doesn't have much of a financial stake 518 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:11,039 but once you get to be like a Rogan and 519 00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:14,340 you go God I'm making 35 40 million 520 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:16,200 dollars a year doing this show I don't 521 00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:17,820 want it to stop this is the best job 522 00:20:21,529 --> 00:20:19,860 I've ever had how do I keep this going 523 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:21,539 and you start to keep it going and then 524 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:23,700 you start to realize okay well I better 525 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,620 not step in that land mine and I better 526 00:20:29,470 --> 00:20:27,360 not step in that and that and then now 527 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:29,480 all of a sudden you're you're you're 528 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:32,760 automatically taking away what made the 529 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:34,620 show great the part about the about the 530 00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:37,980 Rogan show that I that got me into it 531 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:41,220 um was years ago 10 it had to have been 532 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:42,600 10 years ago because I remember where I 533 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,220 was when I was watching it and he's 534 00:20:49,390 --> 00:20:45,840 having a conversation with Duncan 535 00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:49,400 Trussell about jerking off into the 536 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,480 multi-dimensional universe and how 537 00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:53,580 there's a million versions of himself 538 00:20:58,610 --> 00:20:55,380 out in the universe jerking off and I'm 539 00:21:01,730 --> 00:20:58,620 going this is the conversation I never 540 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:01,740 knew I wanted to hear you know like this 541 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:05,460 wacky totally nonsensical topic that 542 00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:07,020 these guys got on to and they were 543 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:08,580 talking about it for like 30 minutes and 544 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,380 I thought this is great this will never 545 00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:12,720 be on television this is this is 546 00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:16,559 hysterical and bizarre and now 547 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,620 you know now the money's involved and so 548 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:22,080 it's got to change it has to change and 549 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:23,820 even though he had all the money in the 550 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,220 world probably before that I mean or you 551 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:28,620 know enough to definitely live 552 00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:31,500 I don't know I don't that's this is 553 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:33,419 gonna get us back to the very beginning 554 00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:35,400 of this conversation and I wanted to 555 00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:37,559 return to the money thing I think money 556 00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,659 is such an important 557 00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:42,299 a paradigm such an important lens 558 00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:44,340 through which we need to look at this 559 00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:46,260 and I have just kind of a different 560 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,299 perspective on it because it it's just 561 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:50,340 been different for me for quite a while 562 00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:52,500 you have to kind of get a little bit of 563 00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:54,419 money and then you have to live with it 564 00:21:59,210 --> 00:21:57,000 for a while and really have it settled 565 00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,220 in and it kind of changes your 566 00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:02,400 perspective what I was trying to say the 567 00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:06,299 way they do it in science is kind of a 568 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,620 guy wrote a book a long time ago a 569 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,080 business book who Moved My Cheese and it 570 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,760 was really about how to manage people 571 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,640 and it's kind of if you think it through 572 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:16,080 it's kind of a 573 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,120 little bit of a depressing title but 574 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,460 it's like you can manipulate people by 575 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,320 moving the cheese the rats are running 576 00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,480 through the Maze and when you move the 577 00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,760 cheese on the other end the rats take a 578 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,559 different path because they want to get 579 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,960 to the cheese and that cheese moving 580 00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:34,320 thing the rats are unaware that they're 581 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,120 running the maze they're just looking 582 00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,220 for the cheese well this is how it's 583 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:40,559 done in science in science it's grants 584 00:22:45,409 --> 00:22:43,500 it's promotions it's tenure and it's 585 00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,419 weeding out people who won't run the 586 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:47,580 Maze and at the end of the day you have 587 00:22:52,690 --> 00:22:50,460 the science you want it's not like Neil 588 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:52,700 deGrasse Tyson knows that he's 589 00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:56,039 intentionally kind of promoting this 590 00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,659 ridiculous idea that you're a 591 00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,640 meaningless that you're in a meaningless 592 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,919 Universe in your biological robot he 593 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:03,600 doesn't go home and practice that and 594 00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,640 get that out they've just moved his 595 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:07,919 cheese I think that's what explains 596 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,500 Rogan I don't think Rogan is getting 597 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,200 Rogan everything about Rogan the reason 598 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:15,720 that we love Rogan is he is this 599 00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:18,840 independent guy he is this MMA guy he is 600 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,020 this DMT I do what the [\h__\h] I want in a 601 00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,240 flotation tank I think all of that's 602 00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:26,880 legit I think the process of moving 603 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,159 somebody's cheese is something that 604 00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,740 these guys have mastered and I think the 605 00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:33,659 way that it manifests itself and works 606 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:37,380 out is very very difficult for any of us 607 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:39,900 to perceive in terms of how that's 608 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,600 really being done and you know just uh 609 00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,400 so I'll leave that but I want to return 610 00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:47,039 to Duncan Trussell and the the evil 611 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,299 thing and the you know Damien Eccles The 612 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,760 West Memphis Three and Damien Eccles is 613 00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:55,799 the guy who raped and killed three kids 614 00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,159 in West Memphis Arkansas and Duncan 615 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:00,720 trussell's wrapping his arms around him 616 00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:03,240 why why is Johnny Depp wrapping his arms 617 00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,419 around him why and I think it relates 618 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:09,299 back to this deeper story that we're 619 00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:10,380 going to get into but I'm going to lay 620 00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,419 are 14 different questions because I 621 00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:14,820 also want to talk about the money thing 622 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,919 so I'm going to ask you to return to 623 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:19,080 those two points one is the the move of 624 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,460 their cheese and these guys don't even 625 00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:22,860 have to be aware of the extent to which 626 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,860 they're manipulated and also then we'll 627 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:27,720 move into talking about evil and the 628 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,820 money thing yeah 629 00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:32,640 well the moving of the cheese 630 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:36,179 um you know you you you sit it's an 631 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:37,380 interesting thing you mentioned about 632 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:40,380 Neil deGrasse Tyson and it reminds me of 633 00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,460 the 634 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:42,559 um 635 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,260 the quote from 636 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,720 Noam Chomsky where he's he's getting 637 00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,640 into a discussion or I don't even know 638 00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,440 if it's it's the beginning of an 639 00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,299 argument or it's a disagreement with a 640 00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:56,220 guy who's interviewing him and he said 641 00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,659 and the guy interviewing him says wait 642 00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:59,220 wait a second what are you saying you're 643 00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,659 saying that I don't believe the things 644 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:02,820 that I'm saying any and Noam Chomsky 645 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,700 says no no what I'm saying is you 646 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,679 wouldn't be sitting in that chair if you 647 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:09,600 believe something different 648 00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:13,260 and the guy just kind of was like oh 649 00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,299 and that's what it is with I think with 650 00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:17,039 Neil deGrasse Tyson 651 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:20,340 he wouldn't be there on Joe Rogan's show 652 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:22,260 or on the History Channel Discovery 653 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:23,460 Channel and all these things if he 654 00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,080 believes something different so I don't 655 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,360 doubt that he believes the thing that's 656 00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:29,880 the things that he believes that's a 657 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,620 brilliant Point tell me what you think 658 00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:33,120 about that relative to what we were 659 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:36,380 talking about Jon Stewart and Joe Rogan 660 00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,200 I think I think Joe Rogan 661 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:42,659 is on a quest to see what he believes 662 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:46,260 and maybe he believes Mike Baker maybe 663 00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:48,179 doesn't I don't know that he necessarily 664 00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:49,620 I'll tell you this I'll say this about 665 00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:51,779 Rogan I don't know that he necessarily 666 00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:54,659 has to or does agree with everybody that 667 00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,820 he brings on his show so I don't know 668 00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,559 that that is a requirement a 669 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,240 prerequisite of going on the show is 670 00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:03,000 that he is the neces that Joe Rogan is 671 00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:04,200 necessarily going to endorse everything 672 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,559 that you say it makes makes it less 673 00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:10,320 uncomfortable you know if he if there's 674 00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:13,140 some sort of commonality there but but 675 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:13,820 but 676 00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:17,220 uh I I think that you know I don't know 677 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,340 I don't know Joe I don't know Joe either 678 00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,559 but I think you I think your point is is 679 00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,299 brilliant it's straight out brilliant 680 00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:26,340 Norm chomsky's point I guess we'll give 681 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,779 him the credit 682 00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,000 here's what I'd say what you're putting 683 00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,279 together is whatever you think about Joe 684 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,760 Rogan he won't remain in that seat 685 00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,640 if he believes what he isn't supposed to 686 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,380 believe if he you know what I mean 687 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,600 because that's to your point right at 688 00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,520 Spotify with that deal with all that 689 00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:46,380 right and all that pressure and all that 690 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,059 stuff if you start to get a little too 691 00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,400 far off the reservation they'll let him 692 00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,559 fight with the woke morons and all that 693 00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:54,779 stuff which is fun but if he gets off 694 00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,700 and starts going on to I mean what we 695 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,100 what we saw we saw what happened when he 696 00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,480 got off when he said I did the 697 00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,100 Ivermectin and I threw the kitchen sink 698 00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:04,919 at it the the establishment went 699 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,100 hysterical and they said you're taking 700 00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,320 horse pace and I hope you die and blah 701 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,820 blah blah and they just 702 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,679 freaked out I don't even think that's 703 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,440 the end of it really I mean I I think 704 00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:19,080 that is part of the the play and we're 705 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,760 not sure how to make that because Joe 706 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:22,559 makes just as many friends when he does 707 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:25,080 that trans friends in our community he 708 00:27:29,389 --> 00:27:26,820 strengthens our community 709 00:27:30,889 --> 00:27:29,399 and then we can all get mad at CNN and 710 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,899 you know how can they do that and the 711 00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,940 same with Jon Stewart I think your point 712 00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,100 in the norm Chomsky point is much 713 00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:37,919 subtler and that's that 714 00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:41,940 if Joe if Joe Strays too far if his 715 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,179 organic move the cheese message gets too 716 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:47,820 far off point the next thing you know he 717 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:50,820 just kind of Fades in some way that you 718 00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,440 don't even understand and I think we 719 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,840 have a perfect uh parallel for it that 720 00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,480 we do understand is when we talk about 721 00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,640 um Shadow Banning it's it's a shadow 722 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,740 Banning kind of thing it's like dude 723 00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,740 what's going on my post used to reach a 724 00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:07,080 hundred thousand people and now for some 725 00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,220 reason I don't know they only reach 726 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:10,620 fifty thousand what's going on they have 727 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:14,640 so many plays in their deck that that we 728 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,200 wouldn't even we wouldn't even be able 729 00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:18,480 to tell that Hey Joe Rogan isn't as 730 00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,539 popular as he was a year ago no it's 731 00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:23,220 devious and they're doing it now 732 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,899 obviously that we've we've all lived 733 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,700 through the censorship and the 734 00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,799 censorship is it's an interesting thing 735 00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:31,440 because you can quantify these 736 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,679 um you could quantify your in your 737 00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,120 example of I used to get a hundred 738 00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:37,679 thousand views now I'm getting fifty 739 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,760 thousand and they're definitely 740 00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:41,100 manipulating that that's a that's a 741 00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,559 measurable number but but what about the 742 00:28:47,389 --> 00:28:46,200 the the the the different version of 743 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,399 censorship what about the 744 00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,620 self-censorship that you put on yourself 745 00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:51,919 because you know that if you talk about 746 00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,140 this one particular topic that that is 747 00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:57,059 going to Target it's going to trigger 748 00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:58,440 some algorithm that's going to come out 749 00:29:01,549 --> 00:29:00,059 and take you down from a hundred 750 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,559 thousand to fifty thousand or whatever 751 00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:03,840 or at least that's your perception that 752 00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,020 that could happen and so you say 753 00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,059 internally I'm not going to go there 754 00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,799 how do you put them how do you quantify 755 00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,419 that you know how do you measure that 756 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,120 that is probably the most devious form 757 00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,000 of censorship self-censorship where you 758 00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,460 can't measure it and you can't and you 759 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:22,799 feel bad inside and some part of you 760 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,360 knows that you're not saying what you 761 00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:26,460 really want to say and then oh I mean 762 00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:28,740 that's just the devious uh component to 763 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:31,500 this whole thing that's a great point 764 00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,020 let's talk about because I did want to 765 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,779 return to the money thing and and I 766 00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,100 think your 767 00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:41,399 lived example is part of it especially 768 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:42,840 when you connect it to the economic 769 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:45,000 Hitman see they're in Las Vegas and 770 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,220 you're doing these uh what they used to 771 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:49,140 call them uh what were the what did you 772 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,520 guys call them what was your what was 773 00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:52,860 the term of the trade that you guys used 774 00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:55,380 they called ninja loans which was no 775 00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,340 income no asset uh 776 00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:00,480 and uh 777 00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:03,960 yeah that it really what it was was 778 00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,659 anybody that wanted 779 00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:08,100 alone 780 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,380 and could provide documentation could 781 00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:12,960 get a loan like so in as an example of 782 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,179 this where it really kind of hit me was 783 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:17,700 a guy came in and he wanted to buy this 784 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,080 house it was four hundred and five 785 00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:21,419 thousand dollars and he filled out the 786 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,299 mortgage application and I sent it over 787 00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,100 and and I don't know whether to give the 788 00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,440 I mean he was being honest and he made 789 00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,419 like ten dollars an hour and I thought 790 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:32,880 there's no way I I feel I actually felt 791 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,860 kind of bad for wasting my mortgage 792 00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:36,240 guy's time because I was going to send 793 00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,539 over this uh this application and I was 794 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:41,220 like this is just kind of pointless but 795 00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,500 we do what we do so I send it over and 796 00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,539 they're like how much is you you know 797 00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:47,100 did you want to put it this down I I 798 00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:48,659 couldn't believe we were even having the 799 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,279 conversation I was like are you going to 800 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:51,360 approve this guy they're like yeah 801 00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,260 whatever 802 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,840 and I said so but here's the thing about 803 00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:56,460 that here's what I'm going to kind of 804 00:31:02,450 --> 00:30:59,340 skeptico you a little bit okay there's a 805 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,460 realness behind that so I mean I think 806 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,740 one of the things I think people get uh 807 00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:06,240 caught up on 808 00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:07,980 and it's the same thing we can go there 809 00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,260 with we can scale it up to confessions 810 00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:12,419 of an economic Hitman which we will in a 811 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,500 minute because I think it's important to 812 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:14,399 do that 813 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:16,980 it's not that the whole housing business 814 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:20,880 was completely corrupt people need to 815 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,640 buy houses and the only it's it's a gift 816 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,919 that we have a lending economy that 817 00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,659 people can go out and put down a 818 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,880 relatively small amount of money and 819 00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:31,980 then work off the loan on their mortgage 820 00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,919 that's fantastic if you go to other 821 00:31:38,509 --> 00:31:36,960 countries where you have to you know 822 00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,519 what they have to do they have to go 823 00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:41,039 generational build up all this money to 824 00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:42,899 be able to go buy some little plot of 825 00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:45,899 land it don't work well it works much 826 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:48,539 better this system so the fact that 827 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,059 somebody figured out a way to rig the 828 00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:53,880 system and the you know we've referenced 829 00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:56,460 the movie The Big Short which really I 830 00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,580 think gets a little bit closer to you 831 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,039 know how the corruption 832 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,620 that to me is much more understandable 833 00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:07,260 in terms of how that plays out in terms 834 00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,679 of ordinary greed in terms of people on 835 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,539 Wall Street who are packaging those 836 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,120 loans the lenders and the insurance 837 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:17,220 companies who are insuring different 838 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,480 trenches on all that you can kind of get 839 00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,640 there from here kind of thing lack of 840 00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:25,500 Regulation where we do really need 841 00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:27,720 regulation in the face of kind of 842 00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:30,419 capitalism that can run free capitalism 843 00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,980 is the best system but it has to be 844 00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:33,899 regulated because we have to contain 845 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,539 that greed to me that isn't so 846 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,880 impossible to understand and here is 847 00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,000 kind of my rub on you a little bit is I 848 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:43,919 get frustrated when I hear people in the 849 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:46,620 truth or Community who can't deal with 850 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:50,760 the reality of business economics money 851 00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,360 it's like no [\h__\h] be glad you have a 852 00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,820 [\h__\h] mortgage be glad that you can go 853 00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,399 out and buy a home that you can live in 854 00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,559 because that's a good deal and if you 855 00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:03,720 don't think it's a good deal then you 856 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:05,460 just wait because what they're bringing 857 00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,320 forth for you with the uh your monthly 858 00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,419 income from the government and all and 859 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,820 the subsidized housing you will not have 860 00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:17,039 that will be so far out of your reach 861 00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:18,740 that you will 862 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:21,960 long for the day when you could go out 863 00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,840 and buy a home buy a small farm buy a 864 00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,179 plot of acre that's not in their future 865 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,640 so just be careful when you're pissing 866 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:32,159 on all that kind of stuff and I think it 867 00:33:38,169 --> 00:33:33,980 takes kind of some 868 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:38,179 tough-minded understanding of business 869 00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,940 economics and how money works and it's 870 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,440 not a do what you love and the money 871 00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,260 will follow World it just isn't I'm a 872 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,480 very spiritual guy but that isn't how 873 00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,120 money Works money doesn't care and money 874 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,059 will reward the guy who makes 18 hours a 875 00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:56,640 day of cold calls on [\h__\h] that nobody 876 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,919 else wants to sell but really is has a 877 00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,480 high profit margin 878 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,179 that's how money works and just kind of 879 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:05,940 get over it and I I don't know maybe 880 00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,879 maybe that's enough to kind of have a 881 00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,000 reality check about money let me tell 882 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:14,639 you let me give you an example of what I 883 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,480 saw 884 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,540 in this when I was working for I was 885 00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:20,520 working for a company called Centex okay 886 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,060 Centex was later purchased by by Pulte 887 00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:25,740 and I was selling new homes for Centex 888 00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,700 and my boss that I worked for was 889 00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:31,560 um not a good guy 890 00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,379 and uh he brought us into a meeting one 891 00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:37,760 day and he said okay so this is 892 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:44,750 six tail end of 2006. 893 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:47,220 and the market is starting to just kind 894 00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:51,000 of stall out a little bit and as new 895 00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,579 home builders we've got land inventory 896 00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,500 we've got Land Development costs that's 897 00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,359 a two-year project 898 00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,099 um you know things are there's a process 899 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:01,859 right and we can't afford and we've made 900 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:04,020 calculations based on trajectory of our 901 00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:05,460 sales and where things are going we 902 00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,839 can't afford for things to stall out 903 00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:09,359 it's bad so in order to keep things 904 00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,380 going 905 00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,900 we not just us but the home builders 906 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,079 around the valley were offering 907 00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,720 incentives incentive packages and we 908 00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:21,000 actually got the consumers trained to 909 00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,920 when they walked in this this is new 910 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,240 home sales so this is not like 911 00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,579 traditional real estate this is kind of 912 00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:28,859 a hybrid of it so in new home sales you 913 00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:30,119 walk through the front door of the sales 914 00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,460 office and the customers would say what 915 00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:34,320 kind of incentive package do you have 916 00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,119 right now that was the the question that 917 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,460 people were asking and that might be and 918 00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,500 there's nothing inherently nefarious 919 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,359 about that that might be ten thousand 920 00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:45,000 dollars for closing costs and maybe an 921 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:46,859 extra five thousand dollars you can use 922 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,540 to buy down your interest rate you know 923 00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,060 whatever those are the things but as 924 00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:54,240 sales stalled further 925 00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,760 those incentives got greater and then it 926 00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,800 got to the point where we had basically 927 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,200 a bucket of money to play with and we 928 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,420 could use that a variety of ways so in 929 00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:06,480 this one example guy comes in we've got 930 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,480 a hundred thousand dollars of incentive 931 00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:11,040 money to play with the houses I'm 932 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,940 selling are going from 300 to 500 933 00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:18,000 000 so you can use this incentive money 934 00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,099 a couple different ways if you buy the 935 00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,440 500 000 house you could take a hundred 936 00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,000 thousand dollars off the price of the 937 00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:26,040 home and pay 400 000 for it in this 938 00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,780 example or 939 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,520 you can 940 00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,680 use a little bit for closing costs use a 941 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:33,119 little bit to buy down your rate and 942 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:34,680 take whatever's left over and take that 943 00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,940 off the price of the house that's what 944 00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:37,980 most people did 945 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,760 as things got even more uh stalled out 946 00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:43,980 and the sales weren't there in an effort 947 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,619 to stimulate it any even further we had 948 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,960 a sales meeting and my boss said you can 949 00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:51,000 use that money and do whatever you want 950 00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:52,500 with it 951 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,020 and I was like what do you mean and so 952 00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,180 what it wound up happening in this 953 00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:01,859 scenario 954 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:04,980 was I raised my hand and I said have we 955 00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:06,300 run this 956 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:08,760 by our legal department and his response 957 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:11,220 was I'd rather beg for permission I'd 958 00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:12,780 rather beg for forgiveness than ask for 959 00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:13,800 permission 960 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,020 and I go hang on man we all have real 961 00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,760 estate license involved here we're not 962 00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,740 we're not going to participate in 963 00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,359 illegal things I was later fired for 964 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:23,339 this but this is what we were doing with 965 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,780 the money 966 00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,480 we had a cut a couple come in 967 00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,480 wanting to buy a 500 000 house they 968 00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,700 can't qualify for this house I've sent 969 00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,320 their stuff over to the lender the 970 00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,420 lender says they both have car payments 971 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:40,079 they both have credit card debt 972 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,880 uh he goes how much incentive money do 973 00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:44,160 we have to work with I go well we have a 974 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,900 hundred thousand dollars he goes if we 975 00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:48,359 use that to pay off their credit cards 976 00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,540 and pay off their cars now I run their 977 00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:54,660 their ratios and they're in line and I 978 00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:57,060 go that's mortgage fraud and he goes 979 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,859 yeah 980 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:01,079 and I said I'm not doing I'm not doing 981 00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:02,400 that 982 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,420 said to my boss this scenario I go have 983 00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,920 we cleared this with earlier and he said 984 00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,540 I'd rather beg for permission or 985 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:11,099 forgiveness than ask for permission and 986 00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,900 I said 987 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,599 to my buddy who was the broker of all of 988 00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:18,000 us and my partner in this thing I said 989 00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,220 we got problems man he's asking us to 990 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,839 commit a crime 991 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,720 and both of us were fired within weeks 992 00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:27,060 of that for refusing to go along with 993 00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,140 this so I watched them manipulate 994 00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,380 and commit crimes I watched them 995 00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:37,020 and and I watched them instruct us to do 996 00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:39,000 the same thing and I couldn't do it 997 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,160 and I knew that that so the guy that in 998 00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:44,160 this scenario with the 500 000 house is 999 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,020 and I'm going how are we going to get 1000 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,760 the appraisal to come in and they're 1001 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,500 like yeah but Charlie at the end of the 1002 00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:51,720 day are you agreeing with me or 1003 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:53,640 disagreeing with me because your story 1004 00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:56,940 can be read both ways yeah I I we have 1005 00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:00,119 we have laws in place to kind of 1006 00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,780 throttle that craziness which is 1007 00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,300 capitalism run amok and that's the only 1008 00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,119 way our capitalistic Society works is 1009 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,359 it's let the buyer beware but also 1010 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,579 beware on the seller that we're gonna 1011 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,320 put your ass in jail if you do stuff 1012 00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,180 illegally now we can point to the fact 1013 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,339 that who goes to jail and not the right 1014 00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,440 guys went to jail but I would still come 1015 00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:24,599 back to the point of there is an 1016 00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:27,780 underlying fundamental usefulness of 1017 00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:31,020 that system I just want to kind of 1018 00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,400 put up a a little bit of a speed bump on 1019 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,099 that you know oh my God we can never do 1020 00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:41,280 it uh because the guy is out there in 1021 00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,660 the same thing I'll just add I'll just 1022 00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:44,400 throw this in at the end same thing with 1023 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,020 the economic Hitman we'll talk about 1024 00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:48,720 that for a minute is shameful shameful 1025 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,480 shameful to go to Uganda and force him 1026 00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:54,720 to take that 500 million to build a 1027 00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:56,940 hydroelectric Dam that they don't need 1028 00:40:01,849 --> 00:39:59,400 but you know it's more shameful is for 1029 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,859 those [\h__\h] Chinese to go in there and 1030 00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:03,780 turn them into another North Korea 1031 00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,460 because there's nothing in the world 1032 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:08,640 that's worse than [\h__\h] North Korea 1033 00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,940 and it's real and it happened and those 1034 00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,740 people live you think we have mind 1035 00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,040 control and we do all over the place but 1036 00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,740 imagine being mind controlled by the 1037 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:22,319 state from the time that you're born you 1038 00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,520 know so with the economic hit guy who 1039 00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:28,920 didn't write the book who is doing the 1040 00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:31,800 deals would he come here and kind of 1041 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,960 bare his chest with the red white and 1042 00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,720 blue and say wake up pal you know you 1043 00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:39,119 can't handle the truth the truth was it 1044 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,359 was either us or China in Uganda who do 1045 00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,660 you want yeah there's that for sure 1046 00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,060 there is that dilemma that that that 1047 00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:49,200 that 1048 00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,900 I think all of those guys probably have 1049 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,339 that that 1050 00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,280 thought during this process is you know 1051 00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,280 okay so I like it I've used this example 1052 00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,720 plenty of times before if Anderson 1053 00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:02,940 Cooper decides that he's gonna go on air 1054 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,980 tonight and have an epiphany and just to 1055 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,540 come to Jesus moment he's going to lay 1056 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,400 it all out about the vaccines and 1057 00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,260 everything he's just gonna he's gen of 1058 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,780 his Jerry Maguire Manifesto moment where 1059 00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:15,839 he's just gonna spill it all 1060 00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:19,319 good for him but it should be 100 guys 1061 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,940 filling his you know in line to fill his 1062 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,380 place and though and there and they'll 1063 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:25,440 fill it tomorrow they'll be a new guy so 1064 00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:28,260 it's it is that question of is it the 1065 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:29,640 devil that you know or the devil that 1066 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,000 you don't know and and and I 1067 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,520 it's a struggle it's a struggle to and 1068 00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:37,920 yeah you're right if if we don't do it 1069 00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,859 someone else probably will and will they 1070 00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,359 have 1071 00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:45,240 our values in line does America even 1072 00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,579 have our values in line anymore I mean I 1073 00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:49,500 think that there's an argument that that 1074 00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,579 has gone too so it it is it is I think 1075 00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,740 you bring a really interesting component 1076 00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,380 to this which is reality 1077 00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:01,020 you you talk about the reality of the 1078 00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:02,700 situation we can talk about theoretics 1079 00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:04,740 and everything but you say no no this is 1080 00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:07,980 this is how it works with money you know 1081 00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:09,780 these guys are making money being 1082 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,900 economic Hitmen they may have a moral 1083 00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:15,240 hesitancy as well they may have as much 1084 00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,940 of one as I do but if they also believe 1085 00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,800 that 1086 00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,619 at least it's going to be us and not 1087 00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,960 some other entity doing this and they 1088 00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:27,420 can sleep with themselves at night then 1089 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,359 they've they've then then in their minds 1090 00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,640 they've done nothing wrong and so that's 1091 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:34,800 a really fascinating 1092 00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:38,400 thing to to to ponder because John per 1093 00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,160 like in John Perkins case it got to him 1094 00:42:47,470 --> 00:42:44,099 at a certain point it got to him and I 1095 00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:47,480 think it had more to do with his his 1096 00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,060 later uh 1097 00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,220 interest in the 1098 00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,619 the rainforest and the ecological 1099 00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,540 component of this and what he was doing 1100 00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:00,480 so so maybe in his mind he saw it as 1101 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,900 what I was doing was bad to the Earth 1102 00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,720 [\h__\h] Brazil or Ecuador or Uganda or 1103 00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:08,700 whoever I'm not worried about them but I 1104 00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,579 I can't reconcile what I'm doing to the 1105 00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,460 planet so in that case maybe he he could 1106 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,440 he couldn't he could no longer justify 1107 00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:18,720 it it from that standpoint but I I 1108 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:21,540 certainly which as you know is mostly 1109 00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,780 [\h__\h] the whole environmental thing 1110 00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,460 oh yeah it's mostly [\h__\h] and I'll 1111 00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:29,040 just hit a I got this guy coming on the 1112 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,599 show and I've kind of listened to his 1113 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,480 show and listened to his 1114 00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,040 interviews and kind of read his book and 1115 00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:36,720 he was one of the founding members of 1116 00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:39,240 Greenpeace and it came out as a 1117 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,099 whistleblower the rainforest thing is 1118 00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,200 contradicted by the satellite data that 1119 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,359 we have we can see how big the four we 1120 00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,640 can see how big the greenery is and the 1121 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:53,520 greenery is not reducing you go to the 1122 00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,760 oceans and the overfishing which maybe 1123 00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:58,980 is a problem but actually 1124 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,160 the level of harvesting of fish you know 1125 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,560 people get mad at the Wicked Tuna shows 1126 00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:07,140 and all that kind of stuff steady for 1127 00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,140 about the last 20 years same it's not 1128 00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:13,760 declining steady we all know about the 1129 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:17,339 global warming kind of total scam total 1130 00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,060 overrun and and I guess we're that's so 1131 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:24,359 interesting that the confessions of an 1132 00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:28,380 economic Hitman was woke to 1133 00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,619 a reality that is a fake reality yeah 1134 00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,380 that is that that we are destroying the 1135 00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,540 planet it's funny how our our paths are 1136 00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,460 kind of similar in like you're talking 1137 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,560 about that confessions of an economic 1138 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,160 Hitman kind of opening you up conspiracy 1139 00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:47,520 kind of opened me up in saying wow this 1140 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,500 seems so curious that these guys would 1141 00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,900 lie about all this and be intentionally 1142 00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,119 deceptive and I thought science was 1143 00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:56,819 different and it isn't and that's what 1144 00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,819 kind of led me to some of the conspiracy 1145 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,680 stuff but now that I'm totally into the 1146 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,140 conspiracy stuff I want to pull a lot of 1147 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,839 people back and say you know where are 1148 00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:09,839 you going with this exactly and are you 1149 00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:12,359 being co-opted just like all the 1150 00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,339 problems you see I love the Flat Earth 1151 00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,579 thing I think I would talk about Flat 1152 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,380 Earth till the end of time because if 1153 00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,140 that isn't a psyop I don't know what is 1154 00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:24,960 if you're in this truth or community and 1155 00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,660 you even I I have friends who do shows 1156 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,819 big shows and there are spherically 1157 00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:32,400 neutral and we can't claim that they got 1158 00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:35,819 you man they totally got you because now 1159 00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:39,900 you are dismissed by all the normies out 1160 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,500 there yeah and and it's um but it's it's 1161 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:45,119 part like you said it's part of this 1162 00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:48,300 divide everybody into smaller groups 1163 00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,040 keep them keep them fighting with each 1164 00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:51,599 other that's fun although there's not 1165 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,119 much there's not much fight in the in 1166 00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:55,680 the Flat Earth Community I think most 1167 00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,960 people just are dismissive and I know 1168 00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,040 some of the guys in the Flat Earth 1169 00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,380 Community nice guys the nicest guys 1170 00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,640 actually 1171 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,140 um but they had and they had me on the 1172 00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,240 show one these two guys had me on a show 1173 00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,980 one time to play the skeptic they said 1174 00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:09,119 we want you to come on because I know 1175 00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:11,099 you'll be not we know that you'll be we 1176 00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,079 know you don't believe us but 1177 00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,940 we know that you'll be respectful and 1178 00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,440 nice I said of course I will I like you 1179 00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:18,300 guys you guys are nice people I will I 1180 00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:20,339 will be there and so we did like this 1181 00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,619 two-hour show and they he said before 1182 00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,720 this I want you to write some really 1183 00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:26,280 good questions I want you to write these 1184 00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,660 questions out you know and like really 1185 00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,940 try and stump so you know I I put some 1186 00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,140 effort into it and I came up with all 1187 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:33,119 these things we had a great conversation 1188 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,920 we talked about all this stuff it was 1189 00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:37,680 interesting I got an email from the guys 1190 00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:40,380 like a year later and they said um 1191 00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:42,359 You're gonna laugh at this because he 1192 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:43,619 said well I was at the Flat Earth 1193 00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,180 conference and I go of course you you 1194 00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:46,319 know in my head I'm going of course you 1195 00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,819 were right there's a flat Earth 1196 00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,400 conference and he goes we won an award 1197 00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:52,260 and I said what do you mean you know 1198 00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,700 what do you mean we won an award 1199 00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,760 actually this was over text he said our 1200 00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,119 conversation won best 1201 00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,280 conversation at the Flat Earth award 1202 00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,560 show and I said do I get a trophy for 1203 00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:06,900 that and he goes well I got a trophy for 1204 00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:10,619 it but I don't think you do so so like I 1205 00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,819 mean look 1206 00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,859 it's a crazy ass world out there right 1207 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,599 and I'm willing to entertain a lot of 1208 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,920 things 1209 00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:18,000 um 1210 00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,740 and I'm trying to get to the bottom of 1211 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,420 all this stuff I'm not a flat earth guy 1212 00:47:24,849 --> 00:47:23,760 okay I'm just I'm just not 1213 00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:24,859 um 1214 00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:29,579 but I do understand that there is a way 1215 00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:32,280 to control people by getting them into 1216 00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:35,099 these camps and then discrediting that 1217 00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,660 camp you know and getting them into here 1218 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:37,980 and then saying up and then they 1219 00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:40,200 introduce contradictory information to 1220 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,359 go you guys all look stupid so it's it's 1221 00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,540 a it's a balancing act for us as people 1222 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,920 that are trying to get to the truth 1223 00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,960 because we understand that we are going 1224 00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,599 up against professional disinformation 1225 00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,700 agents that are that have a vested 1226 00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,440 interest in keeping us off of the trail 1227 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:57,540 of a lot of things that they're actually 1228 00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,900 involved in so things like 911 and and 1229 00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,720 the the you know the whole vaccine stuff 1230 00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,819 they would prefer that we go away and so 1231 00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:07,680 I'm um 1232 00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,440 I'm in this I'm you know listen I'm I'm 1233 00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:11,880 open 1234 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,559 my friend Kev Baker says not so 1235 00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,480 open-minded that my 1236 00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,460 that my brain falls out of the back of 1237 00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:21,839 my head you know what I mean so you got 1238 00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:24,500 to kind of try and keep it within some 1239 00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:28,440 layer of uh I don't know reality 1240 00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,839 especially in this in this field that 1241 00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,700 we're in where everybody is trying to 1242 00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:35,400 find something that they can say uh 1243 00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,140 you're a shill uh you're a controlled 1244 00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,000 opposition you're this you're that look 1245 00:48:43,549 --> 00:48:41,339 man I'm the I'm not any of those things 1246 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,559 I'm not big enough to be a controlled 1247 00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:45,900 opposition I'm not I'm just a guy trying 1248 00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,200 to figure out how it all works and I and 1249 00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,180 I don't even know that I have any 1250 00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,880 expectation of figuring that all out but 1251 00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,800 that certainly is my 1252 00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,559 my goal is to try and talk to people 1253 00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:00,540 that know how it works a little bit 1254 00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:02,520 better than me like in your case you 1255 00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:05,579 you're you're automatically going to see 1256 00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:07,800 the world from a different angle than me 1257 00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:12,119 simply because you're above The Fray in 1258 00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,460 a financial sense where you no longer 1259 00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,040 are sort of held captive by the 1260 00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,339 day-to-day grind that a lot of us have 1261 00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:22,440 to do to you know to pay the bills and 1262 00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,280 all this you've you've made 1263 00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:28,500 position where you can focus on other 1264 00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,319 things where part of this trap that 1265 00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:33,180 we're in is the Trap of money is the 1266 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:34,980 Trap Of Us trying to constantly have to 1267 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:37,859 make enough money to survive uh to do 1268 00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:39,780 the things that we want to do if I if I 1269 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,099 could probably if I didn't have that 1270 00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:43,440 worry in my life and I could use that 1271 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,339 time to prioritize and do anything else 1272 00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:49,980 I feel like that would be I'd be so much 1273 00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:52,500 further down this path in this journey I 1274 00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:53,640 mean how does the how has the money 1275 00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,520 affected you in in a sense is it is it I 1276 00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,500 mean I understand it can be like golden 1277 00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:02,160 handcuffs but but has it freed you up to 1278 00:50:06,049 --> 00:50:04,140 I would imagine it's freed you up to 1279 00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,059 follow the things that you have genuine 1280 00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:08,040 interest in and not not having to to 1281 00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:11,579 bother with the stuff that bores you 1282 00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:14,780 it's really tricky and it's a whole 1283 00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:18,180 mind thing in and of itself you know and 1284 00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:19,619 I told you I've always been kind of a 1285 00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:23,220 yogi when I say I'm a yogi I'm a Wim Hof 1286 00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:27,359 Yogi I'm a Mickey singer Yogi I'm a a 1287 00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,660 cartole yogi in the sense that like Wim 1288 00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:33,420 Hof is famous for the breathing kind of 1289 00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,819 thing and the ice bath thing which I do 1290 00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,220 I built an ice bath in my backyard I do 1291 00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,559 breathing every day but he's also if you 1292 00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,660 look into it he also does the kind of 1293 00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:44,880 physical yoga that's but it's a 1294 00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:48,000 philosophy it's a philosophy that 1295 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,059 and the person who best I think 1296 00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,480 most clearly articulates this is uh 1297 00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,460 Michael Singer but the interesting thing 1298 00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,680 about Mickey is he's worth about 600 1299 00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:00,359 million dollars 1300 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,300 and he started out as just this guy who 1301 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,760 was his PhD in economics in Florida 1302 00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,640 super smart guy he was teaching classes 1303 00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,079 there 1304 00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:12,480 with sandals and a t-shirt as you do if 1305 00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,280 you're teaching in Gainesville yeah and 1306 00:51:19,089 --> 00:51:16,140 he was going out in the forest and he 1307 00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:19,099 meditated and he had this Transcendent 1308 00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,900 Spiritual Awakening kind of Kundalini 1309 00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,000 experience and he followed it he 1310 00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:26,220 followed it his whole life 1311 00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,240 in his whole story uh is about this 1312 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,180 process of letting go and how this 1313 00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:35,760 incredible wealth comes his way despite 1314 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,980 that now if you really read between the 1315 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,020 lines it's not like he was pushing this 1316 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,500 away either you know he was moving in 1317 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,480 that direction simultaneously like he's 1318 00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,760 doing all this but the thing that you'll 1319 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:49,859 notice when you listen to him or you 1320 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,619 listen to like Eckhart Tolle who was 1321 00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:53,940 homeless 1322 00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:59,220 a park bench and then now he's written 1323 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,839 all these books and has made millions of 1324 00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,460 dollars in Oprah and all the rest of 1325 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:04,440 this stuff listen to him talk about 1326 00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:05,400 money 1327 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:07,020 he says 1328 00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:09,720 my wife and I call it the money 1329 00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,440 not like it's even our money it's just 1330 00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,319 and he said I I'd love to buy stuff but 1331 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:18,780 I I don't really I don't buy anything he 1332 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,540 goes I occasionally like to shop but you 1333 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,339 know Window Shop he says but I never 1334 00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,619 wind up buying anything you know it 1335 00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:28,079 seems and Mickey singer is is the same 1336 00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,700 way he's bought a bunch of land down 1337 00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:31,500 where he lives there and has a little 1338 00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:34,680 yoga studio and stuff like that but not 1339 00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:37,319 ostentatious doesn't do interviews and 1340 00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,300 the reason is not because he's putting 1341 00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:41,160 on a show it's that 1342 00:52:48,190 --> 00:52:44,220 there's nowhere to go there's nothing to 1343 00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:48,200 do ultimately our spiritual connection 1344 00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:51,740 is that there is this 1345 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,079 extended Consciousness realm that's my 1346 00:52:59,049 --> 00:52:56,640 understanding of the data of the 1347 00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,059 near-death experience data of The 1348 00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,740 Reincarnation data of the after death 1349 00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:03,960 communication data and I keep saying 1350 00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,540 data because this is like science 1351 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:08,640 there's a reality to that there's a 1352 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,220 reality to the experience that people 1353 00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:12,720 have when they have a near-death 1354 00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:15,540 experience that experience we all 1355 00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,599 understand like a a really common terms 1356 00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,339 you can't take it with you right Charlie 1357 00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,859 whatever you get you have a nice house 1358 00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,200 there you can't take it with you 1359 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,800 yeah well think that through to really 1360 00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,200 think that through well if I can't take 1361 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,960 it with me what can I take with me and 1362 00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:36,059 you get to this point that in some way 1363 00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,579 then we stumble for the words we're here 1364 00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:40,740 as some kind of Soul Journey 1365 00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:43,020 so as soon as you really internalize 1366 00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,380 that the money thing kind of takes on a 1367 00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,780 whole different meaning now for me and 1368 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,119 for a lot of other people you have to 1369 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,000 get it before you can really do it you 1370 00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,440 know what I mean you could talk that 1371 00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:58,800 [\h__\h] but you know what you're a man and 1372 00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:02,099 you were raised in this culture that 1373 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,540 tells men 1374 00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:06,480 you're a provider first and foremost you 1375 00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,720 are a provider baby you're a hunter go 1376 00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,480 out there kill it skin it and bring it 1377 00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:15,839 home and that is deep inside of you so 1378 00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,540 it's hard for you to go on the yoga mat 1379 00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,119 when you can't scrape together the money 1380 00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,119 for the bus fare and say that's okay I'm 1381 00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:27,480 gonna transcend that as a western man 1382 00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,420 it's kind of easier for you to go out 1383 00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,520 and be a 1384 00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:34,500 Hunter Skinner 1385 00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,880 make the money and then get past that oh 1386 00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,099 it's funny after the 1387 00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,000 um after I went through this 1388 00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,099 Awakening with the real estate component 1389 00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:49,980 and I felt like I was part of this 1390 00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:53,579 machine that I didn't understand and I 1391 00:54:57,289 --> 00:54:55,559 wanted to understand the money component 1392 00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,299 that's what started me down the path I 1393 00:55:05,390 --> 00:54:58,920 started doing that but simultaneously 1394 00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,670 I signed myself up for a four-day 1395 00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:10,260 Transcendental Meditation class in Las 1396 00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,339 Vegas 1397 00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:13,920 and went through that and while I was 1398 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:17,460 doing in in my guy that I was with who's 1399 00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:20,460 who was walking me through that had you 1400 00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:22,500 know he was he's just 1401 00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:24,660 when you meet the guy that's gonna teach 1402 00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,760 you Transcendental Meditation is going 1403 00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:28,319 to be the most chilled out dude you've 1404 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,059 ever met in your life always and that's 1405 00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:32,280 what this guy was he was just very calm 1406 00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:35,339 and he had this and he had like 300 1407 00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,859 clocks in this living room where we 1408 00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:39,000 would do it and they were all tick tick 1409 00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:43,500 tick and it was very unusual and I I 1410 00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,059 remember having this conversation with 1411 00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,339 him and he was talking to me about 1412 00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:50,720 how when you're in this meditative State 1413 00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:54,299 the energies you know you you can you 1414 00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,460 feel like there's energy around you that 1415 00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,799 can you know you can move this energy 1416 00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,839 and this energy flows through you and 1417 00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:02,940 all this stuff and in my head all I 1418 00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,880 heard was I said oh it's like the force 1419 00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:07,680 from Star Wars 1420 00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,540 and he said well did you know that 1421 00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:11,760 George Lucas was a it was a 1422 00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,339 transcendental meditator and I said no I 1423 00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:16,859 did not he said the idea the concept of 1424 00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:18,420 the force 1425 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,339 in Star Wars 1426 00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,520 could be potentially anchored in this TM 1427 00:56:29,089 --> 00:56:26,520 practice and I thought holy [\h__\h] so I 1428 00:56:33,289 --> 00:56:29,099 immediately started after my real estate 1429 00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,299 experience I started to feel very 1430 00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:36,000 I started to feel very dirty about the 1431 00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,059 money I lost two houses during that I 1432 00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:41,520 felt stupid for not being for being 1433 00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,500 right in the middle of it and still not 1434 00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:45,540 seeing it until it was too late I felt 1435 00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,119 very very dumb for that and I wanted to 1436 00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,460 get I wanted two things I wanted to 1437 00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:53,280 educate myself on money How It's Made 1438 00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:55,980 what it really is how it works how it 1439 00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,920 flows through this system where it pools 1440 00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:00,900 and you know and and I thought I knew 1441 00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,700 this I went to I have a business degree 1442 00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:05,040 from USC I'm not you know I'm not 1443 00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,780 ignorant to it 1444 00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:08,880 or so I thought and then you start to 1445 00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,619 learn about how it works so 1446 00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,180 simultaneously I wanted to do two things 1447 00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,220 I wanted to learn about money and I 1448 00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,380 wanted to infuse myself with some sort 1449 00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,599 of deeper understanding of what the [\h__\h] 1450 00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:20,819 I'm doing here because making money 1451 00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,640 isn't my thing I mean just just making 1452 00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,680 money isn't going to be my thing from 1453 00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:27,960 that point on I thought I'm not a shark 1454 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,119 I'm not one of those guys that's like 1455 00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,920 [\h__\h] it's somebody else's problem I'm 1456 00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:33,960 here to make money I wanted to make 1457 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,940 money the right way and I wanted to do 1458 00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,440 it in a way that I could live with 1459 00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:39,359 myself so I wanted to understand money 1460 00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:41,400 and I wanted to understand myself 1461 00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,280 man that was kind of what I set out to 1462 00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:47,280 try and do now now in both cases what I 1463 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,559 didn't realize is that you're never at 1464 00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:51,119 the finish line of both of those things 1465 00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:53,099 I mean understanding yourself is an 1466 00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:55,079 ongoing process and trying to understand 1467 00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,819 money just when you think you've got it 1468 00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,799 all figured out they go and pull some 1469 00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,180 some [\h__\h] that you've never heard of 1470 00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:01,680 before like quantitative easing 1471 00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:04,500 quantitative easing two three four and 1472 00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:06,540 they can create even more money out of 1473 00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,099 thin air so just when you think you've 1474 00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:10,559 got it under control and your your 1475 00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:12,119 understanding of it they change the 1476 00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,099 rules of the game with regard to the 1477 00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:16,260 money creation and and how that works so 1478 00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,220 I I went through I had a break you know 1479 00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,559 I had an emotional break after that I 1480 00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:24,660 got divorced in the course of a couple 1481 00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,859 of months I lost my wife my house and my 1482 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,559 job and my faith in humanity really 1483 00:58:37,789 --> 00:58:34,020 after that so I was trying to kind of 1484 00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,799 figure out how this all works 1485 00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:39,720 and that's a big task man that's a big 1486 00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:42,119 thing to try and bite off 1487 00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:43,079 um 1488 00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:46,440 and uh and it all had to do it all 1489 00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,540 started me down that path because 1490 00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:51,180 of me trying to understand money 1491 00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:54,540 well let me throw a curveball in there 1492 00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,020 so you know uh the TM guy Maharishi 1493 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,040 Mahesh Yogi yeah 1494 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,200 probably a scammer you know I have a 1495 00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:06,000 friend who does a show but at the gas 1496 00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,780 pump Rick Archer he taught he was the in 1497 00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,000 the TM movement for a long time he was 1498 00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,880 20-year teacher highest highest level of 1499 00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,099 the TM organization all over the world 1500 00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:19,079 and stuff like that but he's a super 1501 00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,680 great guy and his show is fantastic in 1502 00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:24,720 terms of it's like it says boot at the 1503 00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:25,799 gas pump all these people are 1504 00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,520 spiritually awakened are Ordinary People 1505 00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,380 but yeah man he told everyone to be 1506 00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:34,260 celibate and he was out screwing all 1507 00:59:39,289 --> 00:59:36,540 these women you know which we've kind of 1508 00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,299 heard that whole thing before uh money 1509 00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,480 you know he was very very into the money 1510 00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:43,920 and grabbing the money and using the 1511 00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:45,960 money and this is a story that you'll 1512 00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:49,380 you'll it's just repeat it so often in 1513 00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:52,260 the spiritual Community yeah and we you 1514 00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,180 mentioned that that needing an 1515 00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,819 intermediary now that we know about that 1516 01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,799 with religion obviously we talk about it 1517 01:00:02,510 --> 01:00:00,420 with Transcendental Meditation somebody 1518 01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,520 that's gonna introduce you so what's the 1519 01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:04,680 new religion it's and who's the new 1520 01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:07,559 priest the doctors for coven right we 1521 01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:09,240 need that intermediary we need somebody 1522 01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,819 you're not allowed to disseminate you're 1523 01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:13,020 not allowed to investigate this 1524 01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:14,359 information how dare you dig into 1525 01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,500 Ivermectin no no no no no this is only 1526 01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:18,299 for doctors we're going to allow the 1527 01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:19,980 doctor to speak we're going to allow the 1528 01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,319 priest class to speak they're the only 1529 01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,420 ones that can that can that can 1530 01:00:28,010 --> 01:00:26,280 translate what's coming from on high 1531 01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:28,020 because your little brain is too small 1532 01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,460 you can't understand you can't possibly 1533 01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,980 know what's going on this guy fouchy 1534 01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:34,200 though he understands it he's going to 1535 01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,579 speak for you that's why people are 1536 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,500 talking about covet as as being a cult 1537 01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,900 or a religion the religion of covet it 1538 01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:42,119 it's operating like one I totally see 1539 01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:44,040 these these parallels and when like you 1540 01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:46,140 said whenever you allow someone to be 1541 01:00:50,809 --> 01:00:47,819 the intermediary that step in between 1542 01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,819 you and the information you run the risk 1543 01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:52,799 of potentially not always but 1544 01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:56,099 potentially that person compromising the 1545 01:01:01,010 --> 01:00:58,140 message or not giving you the right 1546 01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:01,020 message at all or or wanting to be in 1547 01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:03,000 the middle to feel self-important and 1548 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,859 there's all of these things that that 1549 01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:06,960 that flow in there so we're 1550 01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:10,319 we're experiencing that this like 1551 01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,640 new new priest class of doctors I kind 1552 01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,400 of agree with you but I kind of think it 1553 01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,200 stretches the metaphor a little bit too 1554 01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:20,880 far because 1555 01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:22,859 you're really onto something I was just 1556 01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,740 listening to a recent episode you did on 1557 01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:27,839 macro aggressions and you talked about 1558 01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:28,920 this 1559 01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:32,099 quite convincingly and I but the point 1560 01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,700 is inescapable in terms of that's what 1561 01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:37,200 they're trying to do with science and 1562 01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,339 they're trying to tell this medical 1563 01:01:42,049 --> 01:01:40,079 science and they're trying to tell you 1564 01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:42,059 you can't understand this only we can 1565 01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:44,579 understand it the the distinction I'd 1566 01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:45,900 make is 1567 01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:49,020 the information is what they're trying 1568 01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,980 to uh you're trying to dis intermediate 1569 01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:54,839 the information you're trying to say I 1570 01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,960 can go directly to Google or DuckDuckGo 1571 01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,520 or whatever and I can get the 1572 01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:02,400 information and they can't really in a 1573 01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:04,740 way stop that and they can do all the 1574 01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:06,059 stuff that they're doing and they can 1575 01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,579 also have unbelievable control of the 1576 01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,559 media unlike this is something we should 1577 01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,240 talk about I'll throw it on the fire and 1578 01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:14,760 then we'll talk about it later 1579 01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,059 what covid represents to me is how far 1580 01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,760 down the path they are in one 1581 01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:22,319 globalization 1582 01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:25,380 and to control and those two complete be 1583 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,240 put together you know let's title your 1584 01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:29,760 book the global control but they can 1585 01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:32,460 also be broken apart is the fact that 1586 01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:34,380 they were able to roll this out on a 1587 01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:38,339 global level is quite a bit of evidence 1588 01:02:42,650 --> 01:02:41,160 in terms of how far they are in a way 1589 01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,660 that we didn't really anticipate because 1590 01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:44,220 we kind of stick our heads in Our Little 1591 01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:46,619 World here and go this is how the U.S no 1592 01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:48,780 man they made this thing happen globally 1593 01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:51,299 interest immediately and the other thing 1594 01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,640 is just the extent to which they've kind 1595 01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:55,559 of figured out the control mechanism and 1596 01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,260 how they can implement it but if I could 1597 01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:00,660 wind that back the way that I kind of 1598 01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:02,460 disagree with that a little bit I think 1599 01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:07,079 information is different than experience 1600 01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,859 and I think one of the really uh sad and 1601 01:03:15,609 --> 01:03:14,160 and and really kind of worrisome things 1602 01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:15,619 about 1603 01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,839 inner the intermediary and spirituality 1604 01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,160 is they're trying to put an intermediary 1605 01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:25,440 in what we would probably think if we 1606 01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:27,660 think it through is the most fundamental 1607 01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:31,319 of human experiences and that is your 1608 01:03:36,529 --> 01:03:34,440 connection to that Source identity that 1609 01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,539 you are so when somebody jumps in and 1610 01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,099 says no no no no no 1611 01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:40,799 I'll I'll make you feel really good here 1612 01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:43,559 for a while Charlie But ultimately you 1613 01:03:48,529 --> 01:03:46,559 come back to me and I'll tell you what 1614 01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:48,539 you can feel good and what you ought to 1615 01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,700 feel ashamed about and here's my book 1616 01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,980 and here's how it tells me all exactly 1617 01:03:57,730 --> 01:03:55,440 why here's my leader here's son young 1618 01:04:01,069 --> 01:03:57,740 moan and he's perfect and all the rest 1619 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:01,079 that is I think fundamentally different 1620 01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,240 than me standing in the way of the 1621 01:04:08,029 --> 01:04:06,240 information and saying Charlie you're an 1622 01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,039 idiot you can't understand this science 1623 01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:11,039 oh yeah you have a different experience 1624 01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,140 with information and especially that's 1625 01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,400 the to me that's the other side of this 1626 01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:18,839 Genie out of the bottle internet thing 1627 01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:22,020 that they've created is a lot of us are 1628 01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:23,940 woken up to the idea that no I could 1629 01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,799 really figure that out on my own and I 1630 01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,119 know where to go and get the information 1631 01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:29,520 so there's a lot of leaks in the boat on 1632 01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:31,260 that one yeah yeah they've done a really 1633 01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:35,940 masterful job of of uh doing what what 1634 01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:38,940 gerbils talked about which was was it's 1635 01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:41,160 easy to bring the country you know to to 1636 01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:43,559 their knees just just tell the country 1637 01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:45,900 that they're being threatened and then 1638 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,099 blame the pacifists for opening Society 1639 01:04:54,289 --> 01:04:52,440 up to the potential for harm and then 1640 01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:54,299 just let Society sort those people out 1641 01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,619 you know what I mean and that's kind of 1642 01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,599 where we are right now because we've got 1643 01:05:01,370 --> 01:05:00,720 this segment of society that says 1644 01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,380 um 1645 01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:03,359 the vaccine is the only way that you're 1646 01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:04,980 going to be safe 1647 01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:08,039 if you don't take the vaccine we 1648 01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:09,900 instinctively 1649 01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,599 view you as a threat to the herd and 1650 01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:14,640 we've got to get rid of you you're going 1651 01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:16,020 to bring this whole herd down and we 1652 01:05:21,049 --> 01:05:17,880 can't have that so I can like I can sort 1653 01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:21,059 of like understand that from a 1654 01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:23,400 deep rooted 1655 01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:27,119 nature type of mentality of anything 1656 01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:28,619 that's a threat to the herd you know you 1657 01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:29,819 got to be careful of it because it 1658 01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,640 because it could get us all wiped out 1659 01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:36,000 but the herd is being 1660 01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:39,480 lied to in and I think a lot of people's 1661 01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:40,920 opinions that they're that they're not 1662 01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,740 being told the the true information that 1663 01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:45,119 they're suppressing information so that 1664 01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:48,960 so the herd is doing what it does 1665 01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:53,160 but the herd is is getting bad info to 1666 01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:56,460 base its movements off of and so we 1667 01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:00,420 wanna I want to say no no no no no 1668 01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:02,460 to the herd you guys are getting these 1669 01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:03,900 people are lying to you these people are 1670 01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,059 flat out lying to you and what I see 1671 01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:08,880 what I'm watching in response to that is 1672 01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:11,760 that the herd is done listening to me 1673 01:06:16,609 --> 01:06:14,700 they they they they have been told what 1674 01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:16,619 they've been told and they are not 1675 01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:18,599 interested in changing their minds about 1676 01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:22,079 it so I find myself in this weird spot 1677 01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:23,460 where 1678 01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,039 part of me wants to like get up and and 1679 01:06:30,890 --> 01:06:28,079 scream from the rooftops 1680 01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:30,900 and another part of me thinks 1681 01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:33,059 I should probably really only I should 1682 01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:35,160 prioritize my energy and really only 1683 01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:37,140 talk to the people that it actually has 1684 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,660 a chance of affecting so I don't and I 1685 01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:41,280 don't know if there's I don't know which 1686 01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:42,900 way is right to be I don't know about 1687 01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:45,660 that Charlie I kind of think that if 1688 01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:49,500 there is a strength to America it's that 1689 01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:52,200 kind of crazy herd that you're talking 1690 01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:54,660 about don't under don't underestimate 1691 01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:56,700 the hurt because a lot of times people 1692 01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,720 read The Herd one way and the herd is 1693 01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:02,819 really kind of processing it a different 1694 01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,780 way 1695 01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:06,119 because I try and stay out of the the 1696 01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:08,280 covid science except for the covid mask 1697 01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:10,380 science I've just honed in on that 1698 01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:12,299 because you can only understand one 1699 01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:13,559 thing 1700 01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,539 and I'm just doing a show next week on 1701 01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:18,359 this latest completely phony junk 1702 01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,000 science from Yale and Stanford about 1703 01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,940 this Bangladesh study that oh it's it's 1704 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:25,859 just incredible because it's null result 1705 01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:28,140 it shows that masks don't work and 1706 01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:29,640 they're really trumpeting it as saying 1707 01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:31,260 the opposite that but the other thing I 1708 01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:33,000 stumbled across that does speak to your 1709 01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,500 kind of point is 1710 01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,599 and this is just intuitive if you think 1711 01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:38,880 about if you know anything about science 1712 01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:40,980 like everyone has to get vaccinated 1713 01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:44,339 right what if you've had covid 1714 01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:47,579 like I know people personally 1715 01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,700 who I highly suspect have had covid have 1716 01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:52,740 had a you know serious spot with covid 1717 01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:56,520 yeah wouldn't that how how about their 1718 01:08:02,450 --> 01:07:59,700 natural immunity no how does that Stack 1719 01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,460 Up versus the vaccine well you know 1720 01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:04,079 they've actually done studies on that 1721 01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:07,200 and as you would expect because as we've 1722 01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:08,940 known all our life and as we've been 1723 01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:11,640 told the best immunity 1724 01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,460 is the natural immunity right is your 1725 01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,040 body building up that immunity and the 1726 01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,440 the best science we have suggests that's 1727 01:08:25,249 --> 01:08:21,679 going to last a lot longer than any 1728 01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,259 vaccine any booster any of the rest of 1729 01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:27,540 this stuff is the natural immunity 1730 01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:31,020 so just again I'm not screaming this I'm 1731 01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:32,940 not trying to force someone to listen to 1732 01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:35,520 any of this you know it's anyone's thing 1733 01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:38,580 but just isn't that a curious thing that 1734 01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:40,140 why wouldn't that be part of the 1735 01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,460 equation it's like well if you've been 1736 01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:43,199 vaccinated or of course if you have 1737 01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:45,000 covid because then you're even more 1738 01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:47,580 protected then you're allowed in that's 1739 01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,699 never part of the discussion which 1740 01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:52,799 reveals again the method it's really not 1741 01:08:57,950 --> 01:08:55,319 about that what it's about is that we're 1742 01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:57,960 in total agreement what it's about is 1743 01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:01,140 do what the [\h__\h] we say we're in control 1744 01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:03,779 don't question anything and don't think 1745 01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:05,159 for a minute that you have the ability 1746 01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:07,380 to sort through any of this information 1747 01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:09,480 slash science on your own you don't 1748 01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:10,980 buddy that's why you got to listen to us 1749 01:09:14,809 --> 01:09:12,659 yeah it's not about science it's about 1750 01:09:17,329 --> 01:09:14,819 compliance it's about doing what we tell 1751 01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,339 you and and that and so that has been my 1752 01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:19,920 my frustration with it I'm not an 1753 01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:22,199 epidemiologist I'm not a virologist I 1754 01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:24,120 don't know these things right I don't I 1755 01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:25,380 can't 1756 01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:28,440 take on that conversation with people it 1757 01:09:32,749 --> 01:09:30,060 to the level that some of the doctors 1758 01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,759 can but what I can do is I can recognize 1759 01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,520 like you just mentioned that 1760 01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,440 if we're having an honest conversation 1761 01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,600 about things like this 1762 01:09:42,829 --> 01:09:41,699 natural immunity is on the table people 1763 01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:42,839 you know people that have had people 1764 01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,480 which age grade ranges are the most 1765 01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:48,060 susceptible or this or that or you know 1766 01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,040 there's nuanced conversation it's not a 1767 01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,080 blanket statement and when it becomes 1768 01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,239 it's a blanket statement everybody must 1769 01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:57,060 get it then you realize that it's not 1770 01:10:01,790 --> 01:09:59,100 science it's 1771 01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:01,800 Dogma or something it's it's not it's 1772 01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:04,219 compliance I love that it's not science 1773 01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:08,040 it's a belief in in that the state has 1774 01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,260 the right to tell you what to do the 1775 01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:12,780 state is always correct until they 1776 01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:13,800 change 1777 01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,900 what they said three months later and 1778 01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,640 say something totally different and so I 1779 01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:20,340 to me I'm just saying look forget 1780 01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:22,679 the science let's put the science off to 1781 01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:24,600 the side just look at the government's 1782 01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:28,140 reaction you know like like you know hey 1783 01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,060 average guy on the street you know that 1784 01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:32,280 the government basically hates your guts 1785 01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:34,020 right they they invent new ways to take 1786 01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,640 your money through taxation they never 1787 01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:37,679 treat you well they're constantly 1788 01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,159 looking for new ways to to to take from 1789 01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:43,560 you for them so that they can spend it 1790 01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:45,420 frivolously and all this stuff 1791 01:10:48,649 --> 01:10:47,340 and you know that and we all know that 1792 01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:48,659 and we've experienced that throughout 1793 01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:51,540 our lives now all of a sudden 1794 01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,540 that same group that has treated you so 1795 01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,120 poorly your entire life now has taken an 1796 01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,000 unbelievable interest in your personal 1797 01:11:04,189 --> 01:11:01,679 health 1798 01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,199 all the science out of the way doesn't 1799 01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,239 that make you a little bit suspicious 1800 01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:08,400 that's all you're like that's where my 1801 01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:10,260 conversation with with people kind of 1802 01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:12,840 starts it's like just look at their 1803 01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:15,239 behavior the most insane per think of 1804 01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,699 the the craziest person you know that 1805 01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:19,500 always treats you poorly 1806 01:11:23,330 --> 01:11:21,540 now sees you walking home pulls up 1807 01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,340 alongside and says 1808 01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:26,100 get in the car I'll give you a ride home 1809 01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:28,440 and you go uh 1810 01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:31,020 uh I don't think so you know like that 1811 01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:32,520 yeah that's kind of where I am with it 1812 01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:33,780 I'm not getting in the car with these 1813 01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,460 people I don't trust them yeah yeah 1814 01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:37,440 that's that's a really good analogy okay 1815 01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:40,980 uh I I would suggest final topic 1816 01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:44,460 let's do it evil and I wrote a book a 1817 01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,260 couple years ago why evil matters and 1818 01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:49,199 the premise of the book is that 1819 01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:52,140 you know just like their the the biggest 1820 01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:54,780 conspiracy to me is 1821 01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:57,600 science and when I say science what I'm 1822 01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:00,420 really saying is whoever is behind the 1823 01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,580 octopus if you will substitute the 1824 01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:05,040 octopus for science is 1825 01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:08,520 committed to this idea that you are 1826 01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:10,380 meaningless that you are a biological 1827 01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:13,020 robot in a meaningless Universe because 1828 01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:15,540 that's the only way the control Thing 1829 01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,480 Really Works or it certainly eases it a 1830 01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:21,780 lot if if your life is meaningless well 1831 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:24,659 the extension of that and that was the 1832 01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:26,280 first book I I wrote It's called why 1833 01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,659 science is wrong about almost everything 1834 01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,800 and it's like if you can't get 1835 01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:30,360 Consciousness right 1836 01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:32,219 then you can't really get anything in 1837 01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:34,440 science right but the the second thing 1838 01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,500 is the why evil matters 1839 01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,080 I guess what I'm saying is 1840 01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:42,719 what we really care about I think at the 1841 01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:44,580 end of the day 1842 01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:48,380 is whether the octopus is [\h__\h] evil 1843 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:50,820 because as we've talked about in this 1844 01:12:54,649 --> 01:12:52,260 conversation 1845 01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:54,659 the octopus 1846 01:13:00,649 --> 01:12:58,380 we might look at it as both you know hey 1847 01:13:03,229 --> 01:13:00,659 the octopus is saving us from becoming 1848 01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:03,239 North Korea you know hey that's great 1849 01:13:08,270 --> 01:13:07,080 make America great again woohoo you know 1850 01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:08,280 um 1851 01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:11,100 uh you can't handle the truth 1852 01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:14,580 there's a reality to that and is that 1853 01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:16,020 the octopus 1854 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:20,219 or is it or is it evil and I think in 1855 01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:23,100 that conversation 1856 01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:25,560 we realize how inept we are with even 1857 01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:28,020 talking about evil and when most people 1858 01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,820 talk about evil where they immediately 1859 01:13:33,890 --> 01:13:31,920 go is towards 1860 01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:33,900 evil Acts 1861 01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:36,659 was this evil was this evil for this 1862 01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,159 person to do that and I kind of take the 1863 01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,320 idea that 1864 01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:46,020 to look at evil look at the extended 1865 01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:47,880 Consciousness Realm 1866 01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:51,780 look at are there malevolent forces 1867 01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:54,960 that are Beyond this world 1868 01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:58,020 that are somehow coming to play If you 1869 01:14:02,570 --> 01:14:00,120 believe in angels do you believe in 1870 01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:02,580 demons if you believe in near-death 1871 01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,159 experience which again the science is 1872 01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:07,199 good if you believe in reincarnation and 1873 01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,300 you go to the University of Virginia and 1874 01:14:13,130 --> 01:14:11,219 they have the studies out to Yazoo you 1875 01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,140 kind of can't get away from the data the 1876 01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:15,840 data the data there is this extended 1877 01:14:22,810 --> 01:14:20,159 realm we've been told Forever by every 1878 01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:22,820 different wisdom tradition in existence 1879 01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:26,580 that that extended realm has some dark 1880 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:30,900 elements to it yeah that's what I am 1881 01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,040 interested in in terms of understanding 1882 01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:37,920 the octopus because when people tell me 1883 01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:41,159 the octopus wants money I'm like no man 1884 01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:44,460 that octopus don't eat money it doesn't 1885 01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:46,980 eat it just spits it out you know what I 1886 01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:49,320 mean that's not what it's about there's 1887 01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:51,239 something else and 1888 01:14:55,790 --> 01:14:53,460 I'm not saying it's I'm saying it's 1889 01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:55,800 complicated but let's have that [\h__\h] 1890 01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:59,100 discussion rather than 1891 01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:01,260 all this kind of clutter that gets in 1892 01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:04,820 the way yeah well I've done enough 1893 01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:07,140 hallucinogens to understand that there 1894 01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:08,940 is another world out there you know and 1895 01:15:13,070 --> 01:15:10,920 it's easy to be dismissive of that for 1896 01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:13,080 people that haven't gone down that path 1897 01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:14,219 I mean I know that there's some people 1898 01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,260 that are deeper religious and they have 1899 01:15:20,510 --> 01:15:18,480 these experiences and and I'm not trying 1900 01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:20,520 to Discount that I just know that from 1901 01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:23,580 my standpoint I have gone to places 1902 01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,040 where I feel like I am in another 1903 01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,800 dimension or some someplace else 1904 01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,199 so it's real to it's as and it's as real 1905 01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,640 to me and I've dragged back my 1906 01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:34,380 experiences from there and it's been 1907 01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:36,900 beneficial to my life I feel that that's 1908 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:40,380 that there's a realness to that I also 1909 01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:43,620 recognize that because I I have no 1910 01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:45,719 control of what I see over on that other 1911 01:15:51,890 --> 01:15:48,840 realm so I'm at the mercy of whoever is 1912 01:15:54,110 --> 01:15:51,900 populating that that area are they 1913 01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:54,120 on the up and up I mean we we know about 1914 01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:57,960 all of these uh stories of 1915 01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:01,080 Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons and 1916 01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,820 all these guys getting together and 1917 01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:05,040 doing these rituals and all this ritual 1918 01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:07,560 magic is there something to that well I 1919 01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,820 don't know much about it because I've 1920 01:16:12,169 --> 01:16:10,560 never participated in it but I've read 1921 01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:12,179 enough to know that there's there's a 1922 01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:14,940 reality to that so is there 1923 01:16:18,649 --> 01:16:16,860 is there another dimension is there 1924 01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:18,659 something else going out there besides 1925 01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:20,699 what we can see with our eyes and hear 1926 01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,140 and smelled absolutely is that in it 1927 01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:27,120 um inhabited by 1928 01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:30,120 good things and bad things I mean I 1929 01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:33,060 think the answer is yes so are they the 1930 01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:34,679 ones that are controlling and 1931 01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:36,840 manipulating the octopus like a puppet 1932 01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:40,380 master with with uh you know pulling the 1933 01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,060 strings on this 1934 01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:44,159 a lot of people say that that is the 1935 01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:46,380 case I just don't know I mean I've had 1936 01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:47,880 conversations with David Ike he's 1937 01:16:52,669 --> 01:16:50,760 talking about sitting next to uh Ted 1938 01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,679 Heath and Ted Heath doing giving him the 1939 01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:54,300 up and down with his and and that 1940 01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,340 Teddy's eyeballs were completely black 1941 01:17:01,729 --> 01:16:58,860 no white in them at all and he looked 1942 01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:01,739 possessed what the [\h__\h] do I do with 1943 01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:03,420 that story you know what I mean I 1944 01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,300 process that and I go 1945 01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:08,159 I know David I believe David I don't 1946 01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,480 know why you would be lying to me I've 1947 01:17:12,890 --> 01:17:11,280 gotta I've got to just say I didn't see 1948 01:17:15,649 --> 01:17:12,900 I wasn't there to see it but I gotta 1949 01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:15,659 believe that he saw what he saw so 1950 01:17:21,890 --> 01:17:19,620 is there evil out there yes how do we 1951 01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,900 Define it that's a good question man 1952 01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:23,760 that's that like you said it's not as 1953 01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:26,040 simple as just saying that's good and 1954 01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:27,960 that's bad that well that's subjective 1955 01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:30,300 that you know there's grades to this 1956 01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:33,120 right there is just just to kind of give 1957 01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,159 you the full skeptico 1958 01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:37,440 Louisville matters treatment and I 1959 01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:38,940 always go back to this example and it 1960 01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:39,840 always 1961 01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:41,340 you know it was very unsettling because 1962 01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,800 it is super unsettling and it's this 1963 01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:45,480 woman Annika Lucas and I really 1964 01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:46,860 connected with Annika because she's a 1965 01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:50,280 yogi and she's actually kind of 1966 01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:54,360 made part of her healing doing yoga for 1967 01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:56,340 women in prison in New York she goes 1968 01:18:00,130 --> 01:17:58,260 into does these volunteer women classes 1969 01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:00,140 and it's fantastic she's built in an 1970 01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,239 incredible uh service 1971 01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:06,060 in doing that but annika's real story is 1972 01:18:12,370 --> 01:18:09,780 at six years old she was sold into a 1973 01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:12,380 Satanic ritual abuse cult by her mother 1974 01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:15,780 and this is in Europe and if you know 1975 01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,699 the Dutro case and I always say this if 1976 01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:20,400 you don't know the Dutro case go look it 1977 01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:23,580 up in Google and you'll see it reached 1978 01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,260 the highest levels of European 1979 01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:28,560 government these guys want to go [\h__\h] 1980 01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:31,739 these little kids boys and girls and you 1981 01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:33,420 know it's all the Eyes Wide Shut 1982 01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:35,940 mansions and stuff like that and it's 1983 01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:37,800 real in the sense that they show the 1984 01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:40,320 kids in cages they have photos of the 1985 01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:41,880 kids who died because they arrested 1986 01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:45,540 deutro and they didn't let him out and 1987 01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:48,540 he wasn't able to go feed the little 1988 01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:50,820 kids little boys and girls that he had 1989 01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:52,980 abducted for 1990 01:18:58,010 --> 01:18:56,159 sexual abusing by his Elite friends and 1991 01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:58,020 they died in these cages and it's really 1992 01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:02,159 sad and Annika was one of those little 1993 01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,179 kids 1994 01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:06,000 and she was raped hundreds and hundreds 1995 01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:07,500 of times a six-year-old 1996 01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:11,159 sold by her money sold by her mother 1997 01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,600 and it's interesting when I talked to 1998 01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:14,460 her I didn't bring you know she would 1999 01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:17,120 not bring up the satanic thing I go 2000 01:19:21,169 --> 01:19:19,380 satanic what about the Satanic ritual 2001 01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:21,179 abuse thing she goes yes 2002 01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,699 that is what this is about that is who 2003 01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:25,920 these people are now I'm not a Christian 2004 01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:30,120 Charlie so I process and and I have a 2005 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,040 lot of 2006 01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:33,840 concerns about the obvious mind control 2007 01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,320 that is Christianity and the cult that 2008 01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,560 it is but I do understand the good and 2009 01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:42,719 bad and the reason I always use that 2010 01:19:49,729 --> 01:19:45,840 example is no matter how somebody wants 2011 01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:49,739 a skate about uh Duncan Trussell Damien 2012 01:19:53,810 --> 01:19:52,140 Eccles isn't such a bad guy after all 2013 01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:53,820 and he wrote this book Let's have him on 2014 01:19:58,910 --> 01:19:56,820 the podcast when you talk about Annika 2015 01:20:03,590 --> 01:19:58,920 Lucas then people go no that's [\h__\h] 2016 01:20:07,129 --> 01:20:03,600 evil that is [\h__\h] evil to sell your 2017 01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:07,139 daughter at six to a Satanic ritual 2018 01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:10,800 abuse cult now I that it is involves 2019 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:13,320 that many people at that level and 2020 01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:14,820 they're some of the highest people in 2021 01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:15,719 office 2022 01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:18,600 I get what you're talking about now yeah 2023 01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:21,480 that is evil and that is our Pivot Point 2024 01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,400 from which we can start talking about 2025 01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:25,679 everything else whether that falls in 2026 01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:28,020 the cattle but we've kind of got a good 2027 01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:29,940 stake in the ground over here where we 2028 01:20:35,629 --> 01:20:32,100 can say that's evil that isn't about 2029 01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:35,639 money that isn't about power 2030 01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:39,480 it isn't even about sex no it's about 2031 01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:43,199 something else and we have to be willing 2032 01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,500 to kind of go there without staring into 2033 01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:48,659 the abyss we have to be willing to walk 2034 01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:50,699 up to the edge of that abyss and 2035 01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:53,360 understand it and bring back that 2036 01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:56,460 sensibility because that's what we want 2037 01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:00,480 to know about kovid we want to know if 2038 01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,540 the guys behind it are evil because if 2039 01:21:08,330 --> 01:21:06,000 they're just about a one world State I 2040 01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:08,340 can get over it you know what I can't 2041 01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:11,400 get over it if they're about control and 2042 01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,219 socialism and compliance I can get over 2043 01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:16,860 all of that but if they're about evil 2044 01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:18,600 it's a different ball game 2045 01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,520 [Music] 2046 01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:22,560 and you literally wrote the book on evil 2047 01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:24,120 I mean you know 2048 01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:27,239 that you you you recognize what do you 2049 01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:29,219 think what do you think that these guys 2050 01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,100 are after do you think they're evil 2051 01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:34,500 I just want to open up that discussion 2052 01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:37,800 because it isn't being had and worse yet 2053 01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:41,100 you know when we do have it 2054 01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:44,040 the default goes to these Christians and 2055 01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:45,600 I don't want to totally bash the 2056 01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:47,219 Christians I was brought up Greek 2057 01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:49,560 Orthodox I understand that people have 2058 01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,199 genuine spiritual experiences with 2059 01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:54,000 something called Christ Consciousness I 2060 01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,800 don't deny that one second I don't know 2061 01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:57,900 what that is I don't know exactly what 2062 01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:00,420 that what that means but I don't want to 2063 01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:02,219 you know we're from a certain community 2064 01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:05,219 that understands that the pedo Pope 2065 01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,739 thing is real I mean that really that 2066 01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:10,080 really happened that really is happening 2067 01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:12,600 it it so 2068 01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:14,520 that's the conversation I want to have 2069 01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,440 it's kind of like I love the analogy you 2070 01:22:21,649 --> 01:22:18,840 said of you know you're walking along 2071 01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:21,659 the street and here's this guy who just 2072 01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:24,300 has the worst reputation and has screwed 2073 01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:26,520 over your family over the years and all 2074 01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,620 your friends and all their asset and he 2075 01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:30,780 rolls up on you and he rolls down that 2076 01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:33,300 window and says hop in Charlie let me 2077 01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:35,820 give you a ride you're like 2078 01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:38,460 no dog my mother told me about people 2079 01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:40,860 like you I am not getting in your car 2080 01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:43,620 and that that's what we're doing with 2081 01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:46,380 evil we're saying okay well listen to 2082 01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:47,940 the scientists who say well of course 2083 01:22:51,530 --> 01:22:49,800 that's ridiculous that doesn't exist 2084 01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:51,540 there's no such thing you're a 2085 01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,400 meaningless you're a meaningless being 2086 01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:55,679 you're not a spiritual being say okay I 2087 01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:56,940 can't listen to you who should I listen 2088 01:23:02,090 --> 01:23:00,000 to well here comes the here comes the 2089 01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:02,100 religious person who says no I you're 2090 01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:04,679 right it is here's what Satan is here's 2091 01:23:09,229 --> 01:23:07,260 what it's about as a matter of fact I'll 2092 01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:09,239 tell you the whole story and then once 2093 01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:12,360 he gets your his hooks into he says now 2094 01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:15,000 do what I say or you will burn in hell 2095 01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:17,300 too so it's 2096 01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,460 moving that step moving that step and 2097 01:23:24,410 --> 01:23:22,560 saying okay we got to find another way 2098 01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,420 because this is the fundamental question 2099 01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,920 we have to find another way of 2100 01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:28,260 approaching that's what I'm about not 2101 01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:30,360 like that I have any answer because I 2102 01:23:34,970 --> 01:23:32,520 couldn't possibly have it but it needs 2103 01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:34,980 to be part of the conversation yeah what 2104 01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:37,679 a trip man we could I mean 2105 01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:39,719 we could go down this path for a while I 2106 01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:41,100 would I think it's important for people 2107 01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:43,260 to have that conversation about what 2108 01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,540 we're experiencing now is it evil whoa 2109 01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:48,000 what a what a you know what I it never 2110 01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,219 really crossed my mind I just assume 2111 01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:52,080 that they have an agenda I know they 2112 01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,540 have an agenda I know they have a plan 2113 01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,679 uh I know that the people I mean I know 2114 01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,480 that I wouldn't want to be a part of 2115 01:24:01,250 --> 01:23:59,520 their plan and I wouldn't want to be 2116 01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:01,260 hanging out with the world economic 2117 01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,440 Forum guys are they evil I don't know do 2118 01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:06,900 you think they see themselves as evil 2119 01:24:10,669 --> 01:24:09,300 Maybe not maybe they see themselves you 2120 01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,679 know a lot of these people that are 2121 01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:13,440 really dangerous devious people see 2122 01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:16,260 themselves as Hey listen man I'm doing 2123 01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:19,260 the things that need to be done to make 2124 01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,960 this world work you're getting bogged 2125 01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:23,760 down in the minutia of it but if it 2126 01:24:28,910 --> 01:24:26,340 wasn't for guys like me doing the the 2127 01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:28,920 necessary things that have to happen you 2128 01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:31,260 guys would wouldn't be able to live the 2129 01:24:37,129 --> 01:24:34,340 life that you I mean there's this weird 2130 01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:37,139 justification that I've heard people 2131 01:24:42,649 --> 01:24:40,320 that do horrible [\h__\h] try to try to spin 2132 01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:42,659 which is I'm taking out the Trap I'm 2133 01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,460 doing the difficult things yeah you 2134 01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:46,440 think it's terrible you wouldn't do it I 2135 01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,880 have to do it this is the this is the 2136 01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,679 way it works I can't wrap my my brain 2137 01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,840 around that that that way of thinking 2138 01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,040 but I know that there are people out 2139 01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:54,719 there that that can find the 2140 01:25:01,370 --> 01:24:58,440 justification in their behavior as under 2141 01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:01,380 the guise of uh I'm doing I'm I'm doing 2142 01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:03,540 the the difficult work that needs to be 2143 01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,560 done 2144 01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:06,840 well you know and I I almost think that 2145 01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:09,480 the problem for you and I is we get that 2146 01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,400 part of it and we understand the reality 2147 01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,920 part of that because like you say you 2148 01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:16,320 know you've been in the world 2149 01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,040 that understands that to get things done 2150 01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,679 it isn't always easy but the real 2151 01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:24,540 interesting part of that question for me 2152 01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:25,739 is 2153 01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:28,679 does that matter because if we start 2154 01:25:34,729 --> 01:25:31,380 taking this other metaphysical approach 2155 01:25:38,030 --> 01:25:34,739 to asking about evil I think it puts us 2156 01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,040 in a different place like if you are 2157 01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:39,679 somehow being 2158 01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:42,840 influenced by 2159 01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:45,960 something negative in your life you 2160 01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:48,960 might not be aware of it and to the 2161 01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,239 extent that the way you rationalize it 2162 01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:54,480 and justify it maybe sound legitimate to 2163 01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:57,000 a lot of people but it might on the 2164 01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,460 other hand not be quite that quite that 2165 01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:01,920 simple and again I think it helps 2166 01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,560 looking at the extreme examples 2167 01:26:08,270 --> 01:26:06,719 sometimes it helps looking at Ted Bundy 2168 01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:08,280 who 2169 01:26:12,649 --> 01:26:11,340 serial killer but look go listen to the 2170 01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:12,659 Netflix 2171 01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,659 True Crime trash on the confessions of 2172 01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:18,480 Ted Bundy the guy interviewed him in the 2173 01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,320 prison 2174 01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:22,560 and he talks about this little kind of 2175 01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,560 glitch that he had sexually when he was 2176 01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:27,840 a little kid about you know this certain 2177 01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:31,580 attraction and how that led to a certain 2178 01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:34,380 influence voice coming into his head and 2179 01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:36,420 how that voice grew and grew and grew to 2180 01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:38,460 the point where he didn't feel like he 2181 01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:40,980 was in control and is that Ted Bundy 2182 01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:44,100 lying and making up stuff or is that 2183 01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:46,860 fact repeated by so many other people so 2184 01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:50,760 at what point is he responsible at what 2185 01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:54,840 point is some other entity responsible 2186 01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:57,600 one other mutually responsible it's it's 2187 01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:00,120 it's just a new way of looking at it I 2188 01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,860 think Charlie tell people what you're 2189 01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:03,920 doing now tell people about 2190 01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:05,940 macroaggressions what you're up to there 2191 01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:08,040 and what other stuff you're doing I've 2192 01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,739 released my third book hypocrisy apoc 2193 01:27:15,050 --> 01:27:13,199 crazy uh surviving in a world of 2194 01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,060 cultural double standards that just came 2195 01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:17,040 out last week so that 2196 01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,260 um people can find that on Amazon as a 2197 01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:22,800 paperback and as a Kindle okay time out 2198 01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:27,300 give us 60 seconds on what your thoughts 2199 01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:29,100 are about that book because I I ran 2200 01:27:32,209 --> 01:27:30,480 across it when I was looking at Amazon 2201 01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:32,219 and I have to tell you I haven't heard 2202 01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:33,780 you do many interviews on that you 2203 01:27:38,450 --> 01:27:36,420 probably have but I kind of I kind of 2204 01:27:40,129 --> 01:27:38,460 double clutched like how come I haven't 2205 01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:40,139 heard about that because I heard about 2206 01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:41,639 the demolition book of course I heard 2207 01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:44,040 about the first book The Octopus book I 2208 01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,420 heard about the demolition book which 2209 01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:47,280 you should touch on briefly and then 2210 01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:48,840 this third one what's that about yeah 2211 01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:51,600 the third one so it's it's 2212 01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:54,480 it so the cover of it has Uncle Sam in a 2213 01:27:59,149 --> 01:27:56,280 straight jacket in a mental institution 2214 01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:59,159 which I think is kind of a fitting some 2215 01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:01,380 symbology for where we are and it's and 2216 01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:02,760 I and I would also suggest it's not 2217 01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:04,920 limited to the United States but but 2218 01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:07,739 this idea that 2219 01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:08,820 um 2220 01:28:13,610 --> 01:28:11,280 we're living in a world of cultural 2221 01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:13,620 double standards where people will tell 2222 01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,320 you the the society will tell you one 2223 01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:17,760 thing that you should be doing and then 2224 01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:20,340 you find out you have to well there it's 2225 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,199 a look a little bit more nuanced than 2226 01:28:27,410 --> 01:28:25,199 that I go I tackle the woke mob for sure 2227 01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:27,420 because they need it I go after the 2228 01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:29,340 mainstream media because I consider them 2229 01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,380 to be co-conspirators in all in almost 2230 01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,880 everything that's happening in our world 2231 01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:35,040 I I tackle Society in general I 2232 01:28:38,930 --> 01:28:36,840 definitely go after religion because if 2233 01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,940 you're going to talk about hypocrites 2234 01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:41,280 you've got to talk about organized 2235 01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:43,620 religion and the sort of way that they 2236 01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,480 see the world and I get it and I try to 2237 01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:47,520 it's it's def you know you got to be a 2238 01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,900 little bit delicated I guess in the 2239 01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:50,400 sense that some people 2240 01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:52,020 you know they take their religion very 2241 01:28:56,689 --> 01:28:54,360 seriously and I understand that but if 2242 01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:56,699 you're not acknowledging all of the lies 2243 01:29:00,169 --> 01:28:58,620 that are part of that then you're then 2244 01:29:02,209 --> 01:29:00,179 you're not being honest with it I get 2245 01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:02,219 into covet of course I get into the 2246 01:29:07,129 --> 01:29:04,920 business world and that relationship 2247 01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:07,139 that we have and I and of course I I 2248 01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,540 also talk about the wars the wars that 2249 01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:11,760 we start the reasons that we're we're 2250 01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,580 given for them the hypocritical nature 2251 01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:16,560 of of how 2252 01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:18,600 how are are you know the things that 2253 01:29:22,430 --> 01:29:20,340 that 2254 01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:22,440 I first kind of start by explaining 2255 01:29:26,270 --> 01:29:24,420 we're all Hypocrites in some level it's 2256 01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,280 and it's a disgusting trait we say one 2257 01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:27,600 thing that's what I was going to ask you 2258 01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:30,060 to what extent is this just kind of a 2259 01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:32,760 reflection and are we different than we 2260 01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,159 used to be are we different than other 2261 01:29:41,689 --> 01:29:37,260 countries are we different culturally 2262 01:29:45,709 --> 01:29:41,699 how does that that hypocritic so what 2263 01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:45,719 got me into the the I the idea of me 2264 01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,460 exposing my own hypocrisy was was as the 2265 01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:52,560 Edward Snowden news is breaking years 2266 01:29:56,810 --> 01:29:54,960 ago and uh we're they're talking about 2267 01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,820 the NSA reading all of our emails and 2268 01:30:01,729 --> 01:29:58,560 spying on us and tapping our phones and 2269 01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,739 all this surveillance state it and I'm 2270 01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:03,540 going this is terrible this cannot stand 2271 01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:05,219 of course I knew this was happening but 2272 01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:06,840 this is terrible it's an awful thing 2273 01:30:10,189 --> 01:30:08,820 they shouldn't be doing that while I'm 2274 01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:10,199 doing that while I'm having these 2275 01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,060 thoughts and this is fresh in my mind I 2276 01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:15,360 am also installing a baby monitor camera 2277 01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:18,239 over my daughter's crib so that I can 2278 01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,280 simultaneously watch what she's doing 2279 01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:23,040 and monitor it and listen and do all 2280 01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:24,480 these things that I'm complaining about 2281 01:30:29,870 --> 01:30:26,940 the NSA doing and I'm going yeah yeah 2282 01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:29,880 but I'm the dad and it's my job to make 2283 01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:31,980 sure that she doesn't get hurt and then 2284 01:30:35,570 --> 01:30:33,900 I'm thinking was that how they're 2285 01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,580 justifying it too I mean are they 2286 01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:36,960 thinking are they saying well we're the 2287 01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,060 parent we're the government here we're 2288 01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:41,460 the dad in this equation and we need to 2289 01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:43,020 make sure that you don't roll out of the 2290 01:30:47,149 --> 01:30:44,880 crib or that somebody doesn't sneak in 2291 01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:47,159 and snatch you or whatever 2292 01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:49,500 and so I it I had this sort of 2293 01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,540 interesting internal battle with myself 2294 01:30:57,410 --> 01:30:54,239 about well where is this line of where 2295 01:30:59,689 --> 01:30:57,420 where how is my hypocrisy okay 2296 01:31:01,790 --> 01:30:59,699 and my justification for it 2297 01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:01,800 but the government's isn't and where is 2298 01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:03,780 that line and what I realized it is well 2299 01:31:07,370 --> 01:31:05,460 you know it's it's kind of a line that's 2300 01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:07,380 that's that's blurry or it's written 2301 01:31:12,350 --> 01:31:09,060 it's written in pencil you know for some 2302 01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:12,360 people and and I wanted to get into that 2303 01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:15,239 and why that is important why our 2304 01:31:20,689 --> 01:31:18,239 relationship with the Media Matters and 2305 01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:20,699 how they drive the the how they drive 2306 01:31:25,729 --> 01:31:23,699 the narratives and how they try and 2307 01:31:27,649 --> 01:31:25,739 um you know they they create one version 2308 01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:27,659 of society and if you don't participate 2309 01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:29,699 in that then you you get left behind 2310 01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:32,880 that and of course the woke people 2311 01:31:36,890 --> 01:31:34,980 that's like clubbing seals though you 2312 01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:36,900 know I mean they're so easy to just to 2313 01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,239 take apart because they're cartoonish in 2314 01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:41,520 in their in the way they see the world 2315 01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:43,800 so I I did the same thing like I did 2316 01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:46,380 with the octopus which was 2317 01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:49,260 I brought in 400 and I brought in 480 2318 01:31:54,350 --> 01:31:52,139 footnotes in this one to document and 2319 01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,360 and show you where 2320 01:31:59,689 --> 01:31:57,120 I found this Insanity because and I had 2321 01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,699 to do it in part because the things that 2322 01:32:03,229 --> 01:32:01,920 I was writing about sounded like I was 2323 01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:03,239 making them up 2324 01:32:07,310 --> 01:32:05,159 like like there's no way this could be 2325 01:32:08,990 --> 01:32:07,320 real that there's you know 56 different 2326 01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:09,000 genders you can pick from on Facebook 2327 01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,820 not only is it real here's a list of all 2328 01:32:16,129 --> 01:32:13,920 of them and and here you know the House 2329 01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,139 of Representatives recently banned all 2330 01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:18,719 these words from being said in public or 2331 01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,480 or in inside session when Congress is in 2332 01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:23,520 session you're no longer allowed to say 2333 01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:25,320 mother father brother sister 2334 01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:27,960 brother-in-law Aunt Uncle son nephew 2335 01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:30,900 niece and all these things you know so I 2336 01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:33,480 wanted to 2337 01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:36,600 um not just complain about the 2338 01:32:40,669 --> 01:32:38,520 Hypocrites running this world but 2339 01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:40,679 document it document their insanity and 2340 01:32:46,370 --> 01:32:43,860 say listen here's where it is like I can 2341 01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,380 I'm telling you that that this is what 2342 01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:47,760 they're saying but here's the footnote 2343 01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,380 you can go check it out for yourself I'm 2344 01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:50,880 telling you that it is illegal to 2345 01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,920 collect rainwater in Oregon and that 2346 01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:54,239 they will send the police to your house 2347 01:33:00,590 --> 01:32:56,699 to issue you a fine for that and I'm 2348 01:33:02,990 --> 01:33:00,600 showing you here that it is it is a 340 2349 01:33:05,689 --> 01:33:03,000 fine if your dog shits on the sidewalk 2350 01:33:08,810 --> 01:33:05,699 in San Francisco but if you do it 2351 01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:08,820 there's no law it's fine they won't find 2352 01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,340 you if you as a human being do it so to 2353 01:33:17,689 --> 01:33:14,159 point out all of this insanity 2354 01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:17,699 and then tag it with footnotes and say 2355 01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:20,760 I I'm not a good I'm not funny enough to 2356 01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:22,380 come up with this stuff on my own I 2357 01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:23,760 couldn't have possibly made this stuff 2358 01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:26,040 up on my own this is real and this is 2359 01:33:29,870 --> 01:33:27,600 where you can find it and I'm not Alex 2360 01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,880 Jones just ranting and raving about 2361 01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,679 they're turning the frogs day 2362 01:33:34,910 --> 01:33:33,600 uh if I say they're turning the frogs 2363 01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:34,920 gay I'm going to show you the footnote 2364 01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:36,659 where you can go find the study on that 2365 01:33:40,490 --> 01:33:39,000 too so so that was that's what I've been 2366 01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:40,500 doing lately and the reason why you 2367 01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:42,360 haven't heard much about it is because 2368 01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,940 the book just went out 2369 01:33:48,770 --> 01:33:46,800 a couple days ago and so I'm now 2370 01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:48,780 starting that process of going getting 2371 01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,000 out there and talking about it and and 2372 01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:53,760 uh and I think people are going to laugh 2373 01:33:59,090 --> 01:33:56,760 at the absurdity of it all while also 2374 01:34:00,729 --> 01:33:59,100 simultaneously understanding in a very 2375 01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:00,739 Jon Stewart esque 2376 01:34:06,110 --> 01:34:03,600 the the serious nature Behind these 2377 01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:06,120 stories and that we can laugh at them 2378 01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:07,920 and have a good time and kind of shake 2379 01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:09,540 our heads and go wow we're living in a 2380 01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:11,100 crazy world but if we don't also 2381 01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:13,920 simultaneously recognize that it's real 2382 01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:16,260 and that these people are actually doing 2383 01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:18,120 these things and putting these these 2384 01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,880 steps in place we we may wake up one day 2385 01:34:25,550 --> 01:34:23,040 and go they built the digital prison 2386 01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,560 around us and we didn't even stand up 2387 01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:27,900 and say anything about it so so I wanted 2388 01:34:32,090 --> 01:34:30,000 to have some fun with it and and and and 2389 01:34:33,649 --> 01:34:32,100 and you know the book writes itself 2390 01:34:35,390 --> 01:34:33,659 really it really does when you're 2391 01:34:37,490 --> 01:34:35,400 talking about hypocritical behavior and 2392 01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,500 things that you see out there I mean the 2393 01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:39,600 biggest problem I had was narrowing it 2394 01:34:45,729 --> 01:34:42,480 down to 335 pages and not making this 2395 01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:45,739 like an eight volume encyclopedia 2396 01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:47,820 I can believe that because you should 2397 01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:49,800 talk for just a quick minute about macro 2398 01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:51,960 aggressions because 2399 01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:54,780 I just I just started listening to the 2400 01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,920 show 2401 01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:58,320 um and I'm amazed at the different 2402 01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:00,300 topics that you cover like you had these 2403 01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:03,980 guys on the The Zeta Generations 2404 01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:06,600 generation Zen guys talking about UFOs 2405 01:35:10,850 --> 01:35:08,940 and I mean they are way out there on the 2406 01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:10,860 UFO thing I mean I'm totally I'm totally 2407 01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:13,080 with about 80 of what they're saying so 2408 01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:15,480 I'm totally into that topic but I was 2409 01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:17,340 really impressed with the way that you 2410 01:35:21,770 --> 01:35:18,840 were able to hold your own there you 2411 01:35:23,810 --> 01:35:21,780 know all about that stuff too so where 2412 01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,820 are you going with that show I don't I 2413 01:35:27,729 --> 01:35:25,920 like so with macro aggressions I do two 2414 01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:27,739 shows a week one of them's an interview 2415 01:35:34,669 --> 01:35:32,100 one of them is a monologue and with the 2416 01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:34,679 with the interview stuff with you know I 2417 01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,940 want to talk about it I want to talk 2418 01:35:39,290 --> 01:35:37,920 about anything that my criteria is this 2419 01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:39,300 I want to talk to interesting people 2420 01:35:43,850 --> 01:35:42,060 that know about interesting subjects 2421 01:35:46,129 --> 01:35:43,860 really that that's real that's it and 2422 01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:46,139 with UFOs I don't have any particular I 2423 01:35:49,729 --> 01:35:47,880 don't have any special knowledge I don't 2424 01:35:51,229 --> 01:35:49,739 I've never seen a UFO I've never been 2425 01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:51,239 yeah but you knew a lot of stuff you 2426 01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,219 know you're right there with them I'm 2427 01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:55,679 into it I like it like I'm fascinated by 2428 01:36:00,770 --> 01:35:58,500 it so I'm I'm uh I'm a viewer of that 2429 01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:00,780 and I'm and I'm interested in it and I 2430 01:36:05,149 --> 01:36:03,360 want to understand it and I but what 2431 01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,159 I've I've also realized is that I don't 2432 01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:07,679 have to be an experiencer to talk about 2433 01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:10,199 it I can talk about it without having 2434 01:36:14,810 --> 01:36:12,600 that experience it probably would be 2435 01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,820 better if I did I mean it would I would 2436 01:36:18,649 --> 01:36:16,320 I would definitely come at it from a 2437 01:36:20,930 --> 01:36:18,659 different angle 2438 01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:20,940 but I I I'm not going to pretend that I 2439 01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:22,260 had an experience that I didn't have 2440 01:36:28,609 --> 01:36:24,600 that would be dishonest so I just talk 2441 01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:28,619 about like those guys and I we did a uh 2442 01:36:32,810 --> 01:36:30,600 we did a group podcast where I wound up 2443 01:36:35,209 --> 01:36:32,820 with with those guys and Bruce Fenton 2444 01:36:37,010 --> 01:36:35,219 who I think you you know Bruce and and I 2445 01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:37,020 and I've recorded Bruce and I've got the 2446 01:36:40,430 --> 01:36:38,820 Bruce episode is going to be coming out 2447 01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:40,440 on macro aggressions in a couple of 2448 01:36:44,990 --> 01:36:43,320 weeks phenomenal I love 2449 01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,000 I love you want to talk about a 2450 01:36:49,729 --> 01:36:46,800 synchronicity I'm setting up the thing 2451 01:36:52,129 --> 01:36:49,739 with Bruce via email we get it all set 2452 01:36:54,109 --> 01:36:52,139 I'm really excited because I've got 2453 01:36:55,609 --> 01:36:54,119 Bruce and I had done the a group show 2454 01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:55,619 with him before so I kind of knew him a 2455 01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:56,400 little bit 2456 01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:59,760 and uh and I go to the gym right after I 2457 01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,739 get and I mean right after I get done 2458 01:37:05,090 --> 01:37:03,360 literally send the email get it all set 2459 01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:05,100 up I walk out the door I walk down the 2460 01:37:09,649 --> 01:37:08,040 street to where my my gym is here and I 2461 01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:09,659 go to the gym and I get on a treadmill 2462 01:37:15,169 --> 01:37:12,840 on the elliptical and on the TV Ancient 2463 01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,179 Aliens the first person I've seen I go 2464 01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:18,000 what a sign it's The Universe telling me 2465 01:37:24,109 --> 01:37:22,139 I got it it's happening yeah so I just I 2466 01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:24,119 just I I just want to talk about those 2467 01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,739 things that are interesting you know I I 2468 01:37:29,689 --> 01:37:28,080 I've I've had directors on and writers 2469 01:37:32,090 --> 01:37:29,699 on and and 2470 01:37:33,709 --> 01:37:32,100 guys that have podcasts and all of that 2471 01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,719 stuff and I just I just find it 2472 01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:35,520 fascinating and we're releasing we're 2473 01:37:39,770 --> 01:37:37,260 gonna release this episode as a swap 2474 01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:39,780 cast the reason why you know Mark Steves 2475 01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:42,420 and I are talking and and and he was he 2476 01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:44,699 was saying you know 2477 01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:46,440 would you ever want to have Alex on the 2478 01:37:53,050 --> 01:37:49,380 show I said yes are you kidding me of 2479 01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:57,109 you're like the reason for the show I 2480 01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:59,340 don't know about I don't know the things 2481 01:38:02,570 --> 01:38:00,840 that you know I couldn't possibly know 2482 01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:02,580 that but you know them and I don't need 2483 01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,900 to know them I just need to know how to 2484 01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:06,000 get a hold of you so you know what I 2485 01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:08,280 mean bro I I totally I think that's 2486 01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:10,920 great and uh we'll we'll have to do this 2487 01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,719 again but as I told from the very 2488 01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,400 beginning I mean 2489 01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:16,800 you know it's funny when you started 2490 01:38:22,010 --> 01:38:19,679 this whole thing with the uh octopus 2491 01:38:24,649 --> 01:38:22,020 book a few years ago I mean you were 2492 01:38:26,930 --> 01:38:24,659 really ahead of the curve so credit to 2493 01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:26,940 you and credit to you for where you've 2494 01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:29,760 where you've moved it you're really 2495 01:38:35,689 --> 01:38:33,119 really on the edge of of doing it and I 2496 01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,699 appreciate it I look I don't know how it 2497 01:38:40,250 --> 01:38:38,400 all works I am on a mission to try and 2498 01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,260 figure it out I don't know that I will 2499 01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:41,760 ever get to a point where I'll have it 2500 01:38:48,250 --> 01:38:44,639 all figured out but my intention is to 2501 01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:48,260 understand more about this and and and 2502 01:38:53,149 --> 01:38:51,060 the my favorite quote my octopus book 2503 01:38:54,770 --> 01:38:53,159 has quotes from over 500 different 2504 01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,780 people 2505 01:39:00,169 --> 01:38:56,159 um 2506 01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:00,179 and the the favor my favorite quote in 2507 01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,169 so so okay let's see 2508 01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,560 executive director I want to get his 2509 01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:12,239 title right executive director of 2510 01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:14,460 Paradigm research Stephen Bassett you 2511 01:39:20,689 --> 01:39:18,540 know who he is he's a UFO guy and uh in 2512 01:39:22,609 --> 01:39:20,699 this this Quest this quote really has 2513 01:39:24,410 --> 01:39:22,619 nothing to do with UFOs at all but he 2514 01:39:26,689 --> 01:39:24,420 says imagine if you're if the world is 2515 01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,699 like a big jigsaw puzzle 2516 01:39:30,830 --> 01:39:29,280 ten thousand pieces right and you come 2517 01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:30,840 into this world and you're given this 2518 01:39:35,870 --> 01:39:34,020 box and in this box is all the pieces to 2519 01:39:37,490 --> 01:39:35,880 this puzzle and you go about your life 2520 01:39:39,470 --> 01:39:37,500 with the understanding you know with the 2521 01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,480 idea that you're going to put all these 2522 01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:41,280 you're going to dump out the pieces and 2523 01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,480 you're going to start putting them all 2524 01:39:47,209 --> 01:39:44,159 together and when you get those pieces 2525 01:39:50,209 --> 01:39:47,219 put together it will be a vision of the 2526 01:39:53,090 --> 01:39:50,219 world as it really is and so you set off 2527 01:39:55,790 --> 01:39:53,100 about to do that everything is good all 2528 01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:55,800 good fine but there's a problem the 2529 01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,420 government that you are living under has 2530 01:40:02,350 --> 01:40:00,480 made a decision for political reasons to 2531 01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:02,360 interfere 2532 01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,100 with your search for that so it has 2533 01:40:09,410 --> 01:40:06,960 taken some of the pieces out of your box 2534 01:40:11,330 --> 01:40:09,420 and has thrown them away 2535 01:40:13,729 --> 01:40:11,340 but then it has also taken some of the 2536 01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:13,739 pieces out of somebody else's box and 2537 01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:16,380 thrown them in your box and then you go 2538 01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:17,880 about your life 2539 01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,520 with this understanding or belief that 2540 01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:21,840 you're going to be able to put all these 2541 01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:23,340 pieces together and it will be that 2542 01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:25,320 picture and he says and it is an almost 2543 01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:28,020 impossible situation but it is an 2544 01:40:34,729 --> 01:40:31,320 extremely effective for serving the 2545 01:40:35,930 --> 01:40:34,739 state and I realized that's it that's 2546 01:40:37,729 --> 01:40:35,940 what I'm trying to do I'm trying to put 2547 01:40:42,109 --> 01:40:37,739 this puzzle together 2548 01:40:44,450 --> 01:40:42,119 and I'm hoping I've got the pieces from 2549 01:40:49,010 --> 01:40:44,460 the same box 2550 01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,410 hey man it's been awesome Our Guest 2551 01:40:55,490 --> 01:40:53,760 again has been Charlie Robinson check 2552 01:40:58,570 --> 01:40:55,500 out macro aggressions check out his 2553 01:41:01,850 --> 01:40:58,580 books that new one sounds really good on 2554 01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:01,860 hypocrisy yeah let's see we can all get 2555 01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:03,900 into that so Charlie like I say we'll 2556 01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,239 have to do it again sometime absolutely 2557 01:41:11,149 --> 01:41:08,639 this has been great I'm putting it out 2558 01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:11,159 on my show too so we'll uh so everyone 2559 01:41:16,669 --> 01:41:13,139 Alex tell everyone where where people 2560 01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:16,679 can find you skeptical skeptical with uh 2561 01:41:24,649 --> 01:41:20,400 with a K with two K's you'll find it and 2562 01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:24,659 uh off uh so I'll send you uh an edited 2563 01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,940 copy I'll try and edit it right away and 2564 01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:28,320 send it to you it'll be a little bit 2565 01:41:32,689 --> 01:41:31,320 smoother with we took some little breaks 2566 01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,699 in there because we didn't know where we 2567 01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:34,080 were going to go with it that'll be fine